From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Tue Apr  1 00:59:19 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:59:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hi !
Message-ID: <009d01c2f813$d63bb720$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Jim,
No reason to blame NYPHP.  I've been working on anti-spam technology for a
couple of years and can list dozens of ways how your NYPHP e-mail address
ended up on a spammer's mailing list. Harvesting the Web is not the only
way.  Perhaps that's really the case that someone joined NYPHP just to
collect e-mail addresses from the web archive. However there are all kinds
of other things done by spammers to get e-mail addresses.  You gotta realize
that once you send an e-mail message to a mailing list, the message is
distributed to all subscribers, therefore many different IPS's and PC's. ..
and then you have things like:
- evil admins who extract addresses from mailbox and mail log files on mail
servers
- weak security on shared mail/hosting servers where any user can do the
above
- e-mail worms harvesting addresses from e-mail client mailboxes
- the list goes on ..
I hope you'll be able to sleep tonight and use e-mail ever again  :)

Cheers,
Jerry

--
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


>
>--- nyphp at jimbishop.org wrote:
>> > --- nyphp at jimbishop.org wrote:
>> > > I just got this piece of spam to my mail account using the address I
>> set
>> > > up just for NYPHP.  Has the subscriber list been compromised?
>> >
>> > Negative, and with private archives the address must have been
harvested
>> > using other means.
>>
>> So then it was picked up off of the online archives?
>
>Again, negative.  The archives are only accesible after registering and
>logging in - something others have mentioned as being a pain, but at the
same
>time, this is the first ever spam issue that's been reported.
>
>> The only place I use
>> this address is for this mailing list.  It's not even a mail account or
an
>> alias.  I just have all of my email go to one mailbox, but I switch out
>> the name to track who's selling my email address.  I don't believe NYPHP
>> is selling email addresses, but I wonder if the archives are being
>> harvested for spam purposes.
>
>Unless a spammer has registered and logged into the archives, this is not
an
>issue.  As others pointed out, there are many clever ways people can sniff
>addresses or use "brute force" methods.  Having a catchall account for
>nyphp.org, I am a victim of these types of attacks continuously.
>
>H
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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Tue Apr  1 03:26:10 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:26:10 -0500
Subject: Performance hit from including classes
Message-ID: <004a01c2f828$59caabf0$e1951d18@enobrev>

Up until now, I've been only including (via require_once) only the
classes I need within the script that's executing.  My upload class for
file processors, database class for mysql, my dropdown class for
selects, etc, etc.  I suppose it would be much cleaner and more
manageable if I included them all in my application_top.php or
configure.php file.
 
Does anyone know how much of a performance hit it would be to include
all 6 or 8 classes at once?
 
Thank You
 
Mark Armendariz
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From smanes at magpie.com  Tue Apr  1 07:57:44 2003
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:57:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hi !
In-Reply-To: <200304010427.h314QYtB009073@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030401073831.01e83b40@192.168.111.6>

At 11:26 PM 3/31/2003 -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
>Again, negative.  The archives are only accesible after registering and
>logging in - something others have mentioned as being a pain, but at the same
>time, this is the first ever spam issue that's been reported.

I ran into this problem on a couple of my lists.  The culprit turned out to 
be unauthorized, third-party web archives.  Bots were subscribed which fed 
my lists to their archives, operated by sharks scavenging the net for 
content to wrap their advertising around.

Googling on "nyphp" reveals one site (alicebot) which has mirrored at least 
some NYPHP posts.  One of the bigger ones I found archiving my TBL list 
apparently blocked search engine 'bots so it didn't show up on the search 
engines at all.  A subscriber told me about it.  Of course, robots.txt is 
only advisory and useless against address mining robots.  They had five 
years of my digests published on their site.




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 09:35:05 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:35:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Performance hit from including classes
In-Reply-To: <200304010833.h318QC0L015880@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030401143505.72769.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> Up until now, I've been only including (via require_once) only the
> classes I need within the script that's executing.  My upload class for
> file processors, database class for mysql, my dropdown class for
> selects, etc, etc.  I suppose it would be much cleaner and more
> manageable if I included them all in my application_top.php or
> configure.php file.
>  
> Does anyone know how much of a performance hit it would be to include
> all 6 or 8 classes at once?

It really depends on how much traffic you're dealing with.  If it's mild
traffic, I doubt you'd see any difference - obviously more traffic would have
a greater impact.

If I remember correctly, here are some details on the include/require family
(please correct me if I've made a mistake):

require/require_once
   -- compile time (using a cache will make the overhead very small)
   -- require_once() has more overhead than require()

include/include_once
   -- runtime directives (more expensive than any of the require()s)
   -- include_once() has more overhead than include()

H


>  
> Thank You
>  
> Mark Armendariz
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue Apr  1 09:36:59 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:36:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hi !
In-Reply-To: <200304011258.h31CvnuZ021935@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304011258.h31CvnuZ021935@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E89A40B.9020108@omnistep.com>

You might want to try something like Spamassassin to tag/divert
your spam. I receive, on average, about 400 pieces of junk mail
per day. With a combination of email client filters + spamassassin,
I'm down to reading/deleting only about 5 unwated daily spams.
That is roughly 2-3% of my daily email ham - which, for me, is acceptable.




From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Apr  1 09:45:15 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:45:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PHP Meetup: Informal get-together
Message-ID: <20030401144515.34599.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


Just as a reminder for anyone interested:

http://php.meetup.com

It's happening at V Bar this month, on Thursday.

See you there,

H


From lists at redibishosting.com  Tue Apr  1 10:42:56 2003
From: lists at redibishosting.com (Deidra McIntyre)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:42:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php include file question IT WORKS
In-Reply-To: <200303312251.h2VMp8vf098652@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200303312251.h2VMp8vf098652@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1791.172.150.18.101.1049211776.squirrel@www.myhostingadmin.com>

Thank you!!

What I did was change the includes to Dan's format:
<? include("./copyright.html") ?>

And change all the files (i.e. formerly index.html, aboutus.html) to .php
as per the suggestion from Louie (Translated by Tim).

Thanks!!
Deidra

> Just to clarify, and I think this is what Louie was talking about...
>
> Are you using the php include call on an html page?  Or do you have a
> page (whatever.php) from which you are calling .html files as includes?
> If this is the case, and your main page is a .html page, then you cannot
> use <?php include () ?> on it unless your server is specifically set up
> to parse .html files as if they were php.  Dig?  So when he's talking
> about changing .html to .php, he's talking about the main page, not the
> pages you are calling from that page.  If this is your situation, you
> need to tell your web admin to set up the webserver to parse .html files
> as if they were .php.
>
> Hope I'm getting the problem right.  It's all a bit confusing.
>
> Luck,
> Tim
>
> On 3/31/03 5:38 PM, "Deidra McIntyre" <lists at redibishosting.com> wrote:
>
>> I passed along most of the emails to the syst. admin (technician) who
>> installed the PHP on the servers. He's not in till tomorrow.
>>
>> I will try Dan's suggestion later tonight. Because, that may resolve
>> the entire issue.
>>
>> I don't understand the question below. Too much short-hand. To
>> reclarify, I have basic html pages for the site. Let's take one of
>> them, index.html. Within index.html, I used several include files to
>> call standard aspects of the site (i.e. header, certain repetitive
>> images, and copyright). None of these include files contain php. They
>> are just html (i.e. <p><img src="sameimageeverywhere.gif"></p>).
>>
>> Simply changing the html or include files to .php does not resolve the
>> issue.
>>
>> Does that clarify it for you?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Deidra
>>
>> --> Deidra
>>
>> greetings folks,
>>>
>>> you all list  all the problems the include() function can cause, i
>>> dont think she realy describe her problem,
>>> i just think she put the <? include("copyright.html"); ?>
>>>  within  .html\\.htm extension.
>>> she mention a technician so did the conf the php.ini
>>> most off them leave the error all ,
>>> and she didnt say nothin' about error
>>> and she say :
>>>
>>>> Within the HTML documents that call the include files,
>>>
>>> within the html doc??????
>>> she call the include() from html doc. ??
>>> all she need than is to cahnge is the file  to "whatever.php"  and
>>> face the scond problem :P
>>>
>>> deidra : write the file name  ?
>>>             and just C/P the code here,
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>> louie.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Deidra McIntyre" <lists at redibishosting.com>
>>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:52 AM
>>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] php include file question
>>>
>>>
>>>> List,
>>>>
>>>> I'm breaking up my html site into includes (header, copyright,
>>>> etc.). Within the HTML documents that call the include files, I have
>>>> the appropriate php tags (i.e. <? include("copyright.html"); ?> .
>>>> All of the includes (i.e. copyright.html) are sitting in the same
>>>> directory as my html pages (i.e. index.html). PHP is installed.
>>>>
>>>> So, why, no matter what I do, don't the include files parse into my
>>>> document? I have tried to changed the include extensions from .html
>>>> to php to .inc. None parse. Most of my includes contain basic HTML
>>>> (no php) like <p>Copyright &copy; 2003. All Rights Reserved.</p>.
>>>>
>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Or does my technician need to change
>>>> something in the server configuration (if so what)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Deidra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _________________
> Tim Arnold
> tim at fiercefamily.com
>
>
>
>
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From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Apr  1 12:22:43 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:22:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <20030401172243.13774.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello all,

The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain key
factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
it?s value to it's community and users.

Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.

Regards,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From sterling at bumblebury.com  Tue Apr  1 12:06:02 2003
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: 01 Apr 2003 12:06:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011723.h31HMlv7031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304011723.h31HMlv7031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1049216762.5154.85.camel@hasele>

What, no Python Server Pages?

-Sterling

On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 12:22, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain key
> factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
> its value to it's community and users.
> 
> Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
-- 
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from 
bad judgement. 
    - Fred Brooks



From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Apr  1 12:28:10 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:28:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011723.h31HMlxj031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPGELNEFAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Good job Hans. I thought that the conversion would take a couple more days.
When are you going to send out the notice that to attend the monthly meetings there
will be a $50 entrance fee?

Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/
daniel at nyphp.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain key
> factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
> it?s value to it's community and users.
>
> Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>



From brian at preston-campbell.com  Tue Apr  1 12:28:49 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:28:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011723.h31HMlvF031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304011723.h31HMlvF031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304011228.49826.brian@preston-campbell.com>

On Tuesday 01 April 2003 12:22 pm, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that
> demands equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running. 
> Recognizing certain key factors, New York PHP has undergone some
> changes in the hopes to increase it?s value to it's community and
> users.
>
> Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---


That's a deal on ASP and AMP Technology Training -- $780, I figured it 
would be $7800 for such an intensive ASP course!

Brian



From sailer at bnl.gov  Tue Apr  1 12:29:07 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:29:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011722.h31HMlor031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304011722.h31HMlor031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030401172907.GB807@bnl.gov>

On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 12:22:47PM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain key
> factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
> it?s value to it's community and users.
> 
> Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.

Even as a joke, that's deeply disturbing. That's like Linus
going to work in Redmond!

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Apr  1 12:34:11 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:34:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011731.h31HUJxj033942@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPGELOEFAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

> That's a deal on ASP and AMP Technology Training -- $780, I figured it 
> would be $7800 for such an intensive ASP course!
> 
> Brian

I knew it. As soon as we start using ASP, the site is full of bugs.

--Daniel


From FWoolsey at ltk.com  Tue Apr  1 12:37:23 2003
From: FWoolsey at ltk.com (Woolsey, Fred)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:37:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <49C27D5DC02B03409C25B3039719955D4114EC@exambler.ltk.com>

Had me goin' until I checked my calendar.....

Fred Woolsey
Senior Consultant
LTK Engineering Services
100 West Butler Avenue
Ambler, PA 19002
Tel: 215-641-8865
Fax: 215-654-9370
fwoolsey at ltk.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP



Hello all,

The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain
key factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to
increase it's value to it's community and users.

Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.

Regards,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---





From FWoolsey at ltk.com  Tue Apr  1 12:40:23 2003
From: FWoolsey at ltk.com (Woolsey, Fred)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:40:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <49C27D5DC02B03409C25B3039719955D4114ED@exambler.ltk.com>

What next, an article on "How to reduce the total cost of ownership by
increasing the cost of all the parts?"

Fred Woolsey
Senior Consultant
LTK Engineering Services
100 West Butler Avenue
Ambler, PA 19002
Tel: 215-641-8865
Fax: 215-654-9370
fwoolsey at ltk.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP



Hello all,

The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain
key factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to
increase it's value to it's community and users.

Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.

Regards,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---





From louie at zibi.co.il  Tue Apr  1 16:09:12 2003
From: louie at zibi.co.il (louie)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:09:12 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
References: <200304011723.h31HMl1L031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003c01c2f892$f2deda40$b35efea9@w3j5c4>

greetings hans,

did you read some articale? regarding this "change"?
what are the key factors?
what make asp just now better choice than php?
and as for now new york asp will deal only with asp or combine the two?

best regards,
louie.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


>
> Hello all,
>
> The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain key
> factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
> it?s value to it's community and users.
>
> Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>



From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue Apr  1 13:17:54 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:17:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011723.h31HMluX031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304011723.h31HMluX031613@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E89D7D2.2020600@omnistep.com>

All I'm getting is..

Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0401'
Disallowed Operating System
/index.asp line 433433


Hans Zaunere wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
>equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain key
>factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
>it?s value to it's community and users.
>
>Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>=====
>Hans Zaunere
>President, New York PHP
>http://nyphp.org
>hans at nyphp.org
>
>
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>  
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From ophir at prusak.com  Tue Apr  1 13:26:33 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:26:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
References: <200304011818.h31IHbvH038303@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <017701c2f87c$39247940$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

check todays date ...

----- Original Message -----
From: "louie" <louie at zibi.co.il>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


> greetings hans,
>
> did you read some articale? regarding this "change"?
> what are the key factors?
> what make asp just now better choice than php?
> and as for now new york asp will deal only with asp or combine the two?
>
> best regards,
> louie.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
>
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> > equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain
key
> > factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to
increase
> > it's value to it's community and users.
> >
> > Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Hans Zaunere
> > President, New York PHP
> > http://nyphp.org
> > hans at nyphp.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>




From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Tue Apr  1 13:29:11 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:29:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
References: <200304011820.h31IKqop039059@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <02c701c2f87c$973c74b0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

Can I suggest dropping the LAMP and AMP acronyms altogether?  It should now
be WISA for Windows, IIS, Sql Server, ASP.

You may have problems when the group needs to change it's name to NYASP
since this domain is already taken by some school pshycologists.  Probably
don't want to negotiate with them for the name either, they might think our
transition is crazy.

Jim

P.S.  Did any of you catch the latest Gateway commercial on TV where they
mention PHP?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rolan Yang" <rolan at omnistep.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


> All I'm getting is..
>
> Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0401'
> Disallowed Operating System
> /index.asp line 433433
>
>
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> >equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain
key
> >factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
> >it?s value to it's community and users.
> >
> >Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >=====
> >Hans Zaunere
> >President, New York PHP
> >http://nyphp.org
> >hans at nyphp.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>



From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Tue Apr  1 13:35:43 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:35:43 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011817.h31IHbpH038303@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHKEDNEPAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> did you read some articale? regarding this "change"?
> what are the key factors?
> what make asp just now better choice than php?

Today is "All Fools Day".  It's an American tradition that might
not be well know to people from other cultures.

One year, working at a large company, every member of my entire
department put letters of resignation in the boss' in-box.

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From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Tue Apr  1 13:47:33 2003
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:47:33 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F0A6D9C37@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


"...entire department put letters of resignation in the boss' in-box."
This could really backfire for someone in the dept!

I was considering for last 2 weeks of getting a cheap wedding ring and
performing a mock marriage proposal to a rather pessimistic lady I know,
but she might end up with hurt feelings or worst yet- take me seriously!?

Choose your jests wisely.  But enjoy!

LONG LIVE Bill Gates & ASP!
-Eddy

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed McCarroll [mailto:Ed at ComSimplicity.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


> did you read some articale? regarding this "change"?
> what are the key factors?
> what make asp just now better choice than php?

Today is "All Fools Day".  It's an American tradition that might
not be well know to people from other cultures.

One year, working at a large company, every member of my entire
department put letters of resignation in the boss' in-box.

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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Tue Apr  1 14:27:04 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:27:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <005801c2f884$ae13cd20$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

I don't think this is originally an American tradition.  In fact it
originated in Europe.  It has to be really old, since some european
countries still use a latin name for it -'Primo Aprilis'.

cheers,
Jerry


--
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed McCarroll <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


>> did you read some articale? regarding this "change"?
>> what are the key factors?
>> what make asp just now better choice than php?
>
>Today is "All Fools Day".  It's an American tradition that might
>not be well know to people from other cultures.
>
>One year, working at a large company, every member of my entire
>department put letters of resignation in the boss' in-box.
>
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From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Wed Apr  2 14:25:38 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos Hoyos)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:25:38 -0500
Subject: phpinfo   
Message-ID: <OFA7D9D098.E80ED7C8-ON85256CFC.00696386@us.ibm.com>






another reason why I love php:

Seeing a dog on the top of my phpinfo page gave me the chills for a sec,
before realizing it's April's fools ;)
Anyway, just wanted to be sure this was just a harmless easter egg:

A closer look at /ext/standard/info.c...

if ((ta->tm_mon==3) && (ta->tm_mday==1)) {
   PUTS("?="PHP_EGG_LOGO_GUID"\\" alt=\\"Thies!\\" /></a>");
} else {
   PUTS("?="PHP_LOGO_GUID"\\" alt=\\"PHP Logo\\" /></a>");
}

Once again, another reason why I love php and open source... and another
moment to wonder how much crap there's behind windows that we can't see  ;)


Carlos




From louie at zibi.co.il  Tue Apr  1 17:21:58 2003
From: louie at zibi.co.il (louie)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:58 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
References: <200304011836.h31IZe1L041873@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005c01c2f89d$1cbb8340$b35efea9@w3j5c4>

OMG   I forgot, heh 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed McCarroll" <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


> > did you read some articale? regarding this "change"?
> > what are the key factors?
> > what make asp just now better choice than php?
> 
> Today is "All Fools Day".  It's an American tradition that might
> not be well know to people from other cultures.
> 
> One year, working at a large company, every member of my entire
> department put letters of resignation in the boss' in-box.
> 
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From patrick.fee at baesystems.com  Tue Apr  1 14:32:32 2003
From: patrick.fee at baesystems.com (Fee, Patrick J)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:32:32 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <E7F20B466062D511973800508B6DBC6C0586BC91@MDRCI-C02-EXCH>

So.... Windows as your O/S, IIS, MySql and PHP would be ....

WIMP?

NYASP.... hmmmm....

N(ow) Y(ou're) A(ctually) S(uppose) to P(rogram)?


And Linux with IIS and Sql Server and PHP would be ...
LISP?


Sorry... long day here in our Nation's Capitol....  Where everyday is April
Fool's day!

Patrick J. Fee
Web & Database Group Manager
BAE SYSTEMS
600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
Washington D.C. 20024
Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
Tel: (202) 548-3759
Fax: (202) 608-5970

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hendricks [mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:29 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP


Can I suggest dropping the LAMP and AMP acronyms altogether?  It should now
be WISA for Windows, IIS, Sql Server, ASP.

You may have problems when the group needs to change it's name to NYASP
since this domain is already taken by some school pshycologists.  Probabl=
y
don't want to negotiate with them for the name either, they might think o=
ur
transition is crazy.

Jim

P.S.  Did any of you catch the latest Gateway commercial on TV where they
mention PHP?


From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue Apr  1 14:42:04 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:42:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpinfo
In-Reply-To: <200304011926.h31JPnvL044943@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304011926.h31JPnvL044943@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E89EB8C.4030001@psydeshow.org>

I might take a moment to point out just how many of us never read the 
source, but rely on someone else to find our easter eggs.
Thanks Carlos!

(And thanks to all the people who have tracked down and fixed all the 
unintentional surprises, as well!)


Carlos Hoyos wrote:

>another reason why I love php:
>
>Seeing a dog on the top of my phpinfo page gave me the chills for a sec,
>before realizing it's April's fools ;)
>Anyway, just wanted to be sure this was just a harmless easter egg:
>
>A closer look at /ext/standard/info.c...
>
>if ((ta->tm_mon==3) && (ta->tm_mday==1)) {
>   PUTS("?="PHP_EGG_LOGO_GUID"\\" alt=\\"Thies!\\" /></a>");
>} else {
>   PUTS("?="PHP_LOGO_GUID"\\" alt=\\"PHP Logo\\" /></a>");
>}
>
>Once again, another reason why I love php and open source... and another
>moment to wonder how much crap there's behind windows that we can't see  ;)
>
>
>Carlos
>
>
>  
>



From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Apr  1 15:20:33 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:20:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011726.h31HPv0L032412@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030401202033.98876.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Sterling Hughes <sterling at bumblebury.com> wrote:
> What, no Python Server Pages?

We're going totally proprietary - no open source!

I didn't know which to go with; ASP, JSP, or ColdFusion.  I ended up going
with ASP, well, because MS is always such a good sport  :)

A Motley Fool,

H


> 
> -Sterling
> 
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 12:22, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that demands
> > equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  Recognizing certain
> key
> > factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to increase
> > its value to it's community and users.
> > 
> > Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > Hans Zaunere
> > President, New York PHP
> > http://nyphp.org
> > hans at nyphp.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> -- 
> Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from 
> bad judgement. 
>     - Fred Brooks
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From FWoolsey at ltk.com  Tue Apr  1 15:25:34 2003
From: FWoolsey at ltk.com (Woolsey, Fred)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:25:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
Message-ID: <49C27D5DC02B03409C25B3039719955D4114EE@exambler.ltk.com>

I hear Redmond is suing Gloria Steinem for naming her magazine "MS"....

Fred Woolsey
Senior Consultant
LTK Engineering Services
100 West Butler Avenue
Ambler, PA 19002
Tel: 215-641-8865
Fax: 215-654-9370
fwoolsey at ltk.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:21 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP



--- Sterling Hughes <sterling at bumblebury.com> wrote:
> What, no Python Server Pages?

We're going totally proprietary - no open source!

I didn't know which to go with; ASP, JSP, or ColdFusion.  I ended up
going with ASP, well, because MS is always such a good sport  :)

A Motley Fool,

H


> 
> -Sterling
> 
> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 12:22, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > The IT industry is a fast paced, ever changing environment that 
> > demands equally dynamic adoptions to keep in the running.  
> > Recognizing certain
> key
> > factors, New York PHP has undergone some changes in the hopes to 
> > increase its value to it's community and users.
> > 
> > Please see our main page, http://nyphp.org, for complete details.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > Hans Zaunere
> > President, New York PHP
> > http://nyphp.org
> > hans at nyphp.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> --
> Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from 
> bad judgement. 
>     - Fred Brooks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Tue Apr  1 15:30:04 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:30:04 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changes at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <200304011925.h31JPIpH044650@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHEEEBEPAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> >Today is "All Fools Day".  It's an American tradition that might
> >not be well know to people from other cultures.

> I don't think this is originally an American tradition.  

Regardless of origin, it IS an American tradition.  As with most
of our culture, I'm sure we stole it fair and square from somewhere.

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From nyphp at jimbishop.org  Tue Apr  1 18:50:09 2003
From: nyphp at jimbishop.org (nyphp at jimbishop.org)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:50:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hi !
In-Reply-To: <200304011258.h31Cvnsb021935@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304011547550.16058-100000@cypress.he.net>

this is what i was referring to.  i was not "blaming" NYPHP as one
reactionary poster cried.  i was interested only because i am very careful
what addresses i give out and to whom.  i do you spam filters, but i
accept all mail to nyphp at jimbishop because it's ... from the list.

oh well.


> At 11:26 PM 3/31/2003 -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> >Again, negative.  The archives are only accesible after registering and
> >logging in - something others have mentioned as being a pain, but at the same
> >time, this is the first ever spam issue that's been reported.
> 
> I ran into this problem on a couple of my lists.  The culprit turned out to 
> be unauthorized, third-party web archives.  Bots were subscribed which fed 
> my lists to their archives, operated by sharks scavenging the net for 
> content to wrap their advertising around.
> 
> Googling on "nyphp" reveals one site (alicebot) which has mirrored at least 
> some NYPHP posts.  One of the bigger ones I found archiving my TBL list 
> apparently blocked search engine 'bots so it didn't show up on the search 
> engines at all.  A subscriber told me about it.  Of course, robots.txt is 
> only advisory and useless against address mining robots.  They had five 
> years of my digests published on their site.



From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Wed Apr  2 11:18:03 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos Hoyos)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:18:03 -0500
Subject: math library
Message-ID: <OFAA0D8AFE.2F4EF57C-ON85256CFC.0057BED4@us.ibm.com>






I just started reading this article:

      http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-linphp/

and the first sentence caught my eye
"In contrast with other open source languages like Perl and Python, PHP
lacks a robust community effort to develop a math library."

Anyway, php has some math functions built in the standard module (and also
bcmath)... but I don't recall any advanced math libraries (lineal algebra,
statistics, series, complex numbers).

I am originally a mathematician with good experience in algorithms, and
would be interested in building (or at least sizing the possibility of) an
advanced math module for php. Could this be worth it for PHP ?

If anybody is aware of any work being conducted in that direction, is
interested in discussing this a bit more, has any suggestions of other
contacts in that area, please reply or contact me directly

thanks,

Carlos



From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Wed Apr  2 13:19:31 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:19:31 -0500
Subject: Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000 VB Macros?
Message-ID: <323910-2200343218193177@M2W093.mail2web.com>

I thought someone out there might know how to do that as I am trying to
help a friend with a rather complex Excel formula he has to write and my
rudimentary VB and Excel formula-writing skills are not helping right
offhand.

All he wants is a means of translating a letter grade in a column of cells
into a number (e.g. "A-" or "a-" -> 3.7 or "B+" or "b+" -> 3.3).

Thanx
Phil

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From fawcett at bard.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:06:43 2003
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:06:43 -0500
Subject: address delete
Message-ID: <3E8B26B3.82ED29C8@bard.edu>

as my contract with bard college is ending this friday 4/4, please drop
the fawcett at bard.edu address & 845-758-7228 phone from your books by
then.

my home/office marcott at ulster.net  845-331-2102 remains. 

pandora fawcett


From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:34:28 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:34:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000 VB Macros?
In-Reply-To: <200304021820.h32IJXx3005826@parsec.nyphp.org>; from soazine@pop.mail.rcn.net on Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:19:33PM -0500
References: <200304021820.h32IJXx3005826@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030402133428.B1109@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-04-02 13:19 -0500, soazine at pop.erols.com
<soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net> wrote:

> All he wants is a means of translating a letter grade in a column of cells
> into a number (e.g. "A-" or "a-" -> 3.7 or "B+" or "b+" -> 3.3).

I use the VLOOKUP function.  I have two columns which look like this:

0     F
60    D
65    D+
70    C
etc...

Let's say that starts at cell A1, and goes through B8.

Now, if cell D15 has a number grade in it, put this in E15 to
calculate the letter grade:

=vlookup( D15, A1:B8, 2 )

That means, look up the value stored in D15 in the table mentioned
above in the cells A1 through B8, and return what you find in the
second column, which is the letter grades.

No macro needed, so now you can e-mail it to people and they won't
flip out.

The last thing I do is make a separate worksheet with the letter
grades, so from each section's worksheet, I just refer to the grades
worksheet:

=vlookup( D15, 'Letter Grades'!A1:B8, 2 )

Done.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

Windows:  More than enough rope.


From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:35:56 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:35:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000 VB Macros?
In-Reply-To: <200304021820.h32IJXx3005826@parsec.nyphp.org>; from soazine@pop.mail.rcn.net on Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:19:33PM -0500
References: <200304021820.h32IJXx3005826@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030402133556.C1109@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Oh, BTW, I should mention that I did that stuff in Gnumeric, not
Excel, so my apologies if the order of parameters is different.  Tell
your friend just to look up Excel's vlookup function -- it's real
similar, if not exactly the same.

-- 
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From betenoir at echonyc.com  Wed Apr  2 13:40:13 2003
From: betenoir at echonyc.com (betenoir at echonyc.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:40:13 -0500
Subject: Leaky Javascript
In-Reply-To: <200304021819.h32IJXq5005826@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <v04011701bab0dd9daca9@[65.176.48.11]>

I am having a persistent problem with Javascript appearing in the body of
my .php page when it first loads.

NOTE: the code in question is NOT in the body of the page -- it's in the
head.  Sometimes it's just a half a line of code, other times it's a
combination of Javascript from the head and partial HTML tags from the
body. I had noticed that it seems to start with a particular line of code,
and I have since gone through and cleaned up and reduced the number of
lines of script (removed comments, vestigial routines, etc.) but the
problem persists.

On Reload/Refresh the page rights itself and all is well.

Any ideas?

Clyde


From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Wed Apr  2 14:25:06 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:25:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000 VB Macros?
Message-ID: <184670-2200343219256789@M2W073.mail2web.com>

Thanx, however, my friend is having problems with the VLOOKUP insofar as
that it will convert from number to string but not from string to number.

I am not sure how to help him rather than writing a super-complex IF
statement.

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Christopher R. Merlo cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 13:36:01 -0500
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
VB Macros?


Oh, BTW, I should mention that I did that stuff in Gnumeric, not
Excel, so my apologies if the order of parameters is different.  Tell
your friend just to look up Excel's vlookup function -- it's real
similar, if not exactly the same.

-- 
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From tfreedma at ubspw.com  Wed Apr  2 14:40:37 2003
From: tfreedma at ubspw.com (Freedman, Tom S.)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:40:37 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
	 VB Macros?
Message-ID: <F9E832D44277A64EA6FB98FE9BD720FD01F9C018@psle07.xchg.pwj.com>

I hate to be this way, but your friend must be doing something wrong.  I
just did a mockup in Excel 97 (we're still in the dark ages here) and it
worked fine going from string to number.

If you're going to go the VBA route, there is a "Switch Case" construct,
instead of using a bunch of if-elses.

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:25 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel
2000 VB Macros?


Thanx, however, my friend is having problems with the VLOOKUP insofar as
that it will convert from number to string but not from string to number.

I am not sure how to help him rather than writing a super-complex IF
statement.

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Christopher R. Merlo cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 13:36:01 -0500
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
VB Macros?


Oh, BTW, I should mention that I did that stuff in Gnumeric, not
Excel, so my apologies if the order of parameters is different.  Tell
your friend just to look up Excel's vlookup function -- it's real
similar, if not exactly the same.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Wed Apr  2 14:54:57 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:54:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000 VB Macros?
Message-ID: <157240-22003432195457777@M2W057.mail2web.com>

Could you either give me an example of how to use VLOOKUP to convert from
number to string, or could you show me the steps toward writing simple VBA
to be used within Excel 2000 (I don't have the O'Reilly book on me I'm
afraid).

Thanx
Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Freedman, Tom S. tfreedma at ubspw.com
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 14:40:42 -0500
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
VB Macros?


I hate to be this way, but your friend must be doing something wrong.  I
just did a mockup in Excel 97 (we're still in the dark ages here) and it
worked fine going from string to number.

If you're going to go the VBA route, there is a "Switch Case" construct,
instead of using a bunch of if-elses.

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:25 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel
2000 VB Macros?


Thanx, however, my friend is having problems with the VLOOKUP insofar as
that it will convert from number to string but not from string to number.

I am not sure how to help him rather than writing a super-complex IF
statement.

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Christopher R. Merlo cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 13:36:01 -0500
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
VB Macros?


Oh, BTW, I should mention that I did that stuff in Gnumeric, not
Excel, so my apologies if the order of parameters is different.  Tell
your friend just to look up Excel's vlookup function -- it's real
similar, if not exactly the same.

-- 
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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  2 14:56:21 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:56:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Leaky Javascript
Message-ID: <BAY2-F16RQde13YDLVB0000503f@hotmail.com>

Clyde,

How are you packaging the JavaScript in the head of your page?  With HTML 
comments? a type attribute?  What other items are also in the head?


-Dan


>
>I am having a persistent problem with Javascript appearing in the body of
>my .php page when it first loads.
>
>NOTE: the code in question is NOT in the body of the page -- it's in the
>head.  Sometimes it's just a half a line of code, other times it's a
>combination of Javascript from the head and partial HTML tags from the
>body. I had noticed that it seems to start with a particular line of code,
>and I have since gone through and cleaned up and reduced the number of
>lines of script (removed comments, vestigial routines, etc.) but the
>problem persists.
>
>On Reload/Refresh the page rights itself and all is well.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Clyde
>

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From lance at optimost.com  Wed Apr  2 15:03:20 2003
From: lance at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:03:20 -0500
Subject: gmmktime weirdness
Message-ID: <001301c2f952$ec456300$0a11010a@lance>

Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release of PHP
and tell me what the output is for them?
 
<?php
$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
 
gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be wrong
 
$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
?>
 
I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
 
1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM

First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the return
value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to the first
set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) would always
return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs forward" for me.
 
Thanks!
Lance
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From tfreedma at ubspw.com  Wed Apr  2 15:08:50 2003
From: tfreedma at ubspw.com (Freedman, Tom S.)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:08:50 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
	 VB Macros?
Message-ID: <F9E832D44277A64EA6FB98FE9BD720FD01F9C01A@psle07.xchg.pwj.com>

Replying off list...

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:55 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel
2000 VB Macros?


Could you either give me an example of how to use VLOOKUP to convert from
number to string, or could you show me the steps toward writing simple VBA
to be used within Excel 2000 (I don't have the O'Reilly book on me I'm
afraid).

Thanx
Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Freedman, Tom S. tfreedma at ubspw.com
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 14:40:42 -0500
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
VB Macros?


I hate to be this way, but your friend must be doing something wrong.  I
just did a mockup in Excel 97 (we're still in the dark ages here) and it
worked fine going from string to number.

If you're going to go the VBA route, there is a "Switch Case" construct,
instead of using a bunch of if-elses.

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:25 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel
2000 VB Macros?


Thanx, however, my friend is having problems with the VLOOKUP insofar as
that it will convert from number to string but not from string to number.

I am not sure how to help him rather than writing a super-complex IF
statement.

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Christopher R. Merlo cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 13:36:01 -0500
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone out there know how to write MS Excel 2000
VB Macros?


Oh, BTW, I should mention that I did that stuff in Gnumeric, not
Excel, so my apologies if the order of parameters is different.  Tell
your friend just to look up Excel's vlookup function -- it's real
similar, if not exactly the same.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

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From betenoir at echonyc.com  Wed Apr  2 15:20:32 2003
From: betenoir at echonyc.com (betenoir at echonyc.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:20:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Leaky Javascript
In-Reply-To: <200304021956.h32JuNq5013461@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <v04011708bab0f2fdb244@[65.176.48.209]>

Hi Dan
>
>How are you packaging the JavaScript in the head of your page?  With HTML
>comments?

Yes

<HTML><HEAD>
<!-- Global site tag (gtag.js) - Google Analytics -->
<script async src="https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtag/js?id=UA-51353372-3"></script>
<script>
  window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || [];
  function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);}
  gtag('js', new Date());

  gtag('config', 'UA-51353372-3');
</script><TITLE>My Title</TITLE>
<META content=text/html;CHARSET=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type>
<SCRIPT language="javascript">
<!-- //

	x = 0;
	y = 0;
	z = 0;

	function doThis() {
 		 blah = foo;
		}

	function doThat() {
 		if (blah == foo) {
			yadda yadda;
		}
	}

// -->
</SCRIPT>
	<LINK REL=stylesheet HREF="./looking_good.css" TYPE="text/css">
<meta name="description" content="PHP jobs stackware web application support and development forums for Mongo LAMP MySQL SQL Windows IIS Linux." />
<meta name="author" content="Stackware Web Development - http://stackware.com" />
<meta name="verify-v1" content="zWMoPwMn/dolscLkjLXTpRqgr9K8bzlzL1vM9WTjpHc=" />
<meta name="msvalidate.01" content="F85F81C1D0BAB5C349E8395628845E27" />
<meta name="y_key" content="265502be3db4fb6e" />
</HEAD>


 a type attribute?  What is should the type attribute be?

>What other items are also in the head?

Just the title tags and the linked stylesheet.

>-Dan
>
>
>>
>>I am having a persistent problem with Javascript appearing in the body of
>>my .php page when it first loads.
>>
>>NOTE: the code in question is NOT in the body of the page -- it's in the
>>head.  Sometimes it's just a half a line of code, other times it's a
>>combination of Javascript from the head and partial HTML tags from the
>>body. I had noticed that it seems to start with a particular line of code,
>>and I have since gone through and cleaned up and reduced the number of
>>lines of script (removed comments, vestigial routines, etc.) but the
>>problem persists.
>>
>>On Reload/Refresh the page rights itself and all is well.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Clyde
>>
>
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From lance.listserv at optimost.com  Wed Apr  2 15:46:13 2003
From: lance.listserv at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:46:13 -0500
Subject: gmmktime weirdness
Message-ID: <001d01c2f958$e8cf1940$0a11010a@lance>

Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release of PHP
and tell me what the output is for them?

<?php
$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be wrong

$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
?>

I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.

1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM

First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the return
value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to the first
set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) would always
return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs forward" for me.

Thanks!
Lance




From jhise at nextsource.com  Wed Apr  2 16:08:12 2003
From: jhise at nextsource.com (Hise, Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:08:12 -0500 
Subject: Pushing PHP as downloads
Message-ID: <89C3243EE1C6D411A7C200508BDCA846D13E35@nyexch01.nextsource.com>

Hi All:

I just rebuilt my copy of PHP to enable gd support...but now my apache keeps
trying to get me to download my php pages...I've kept my existing httpd.conf
file, which was working perfectly fine before.

Does anyone know why this happens?

Thanks,

hise

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From hans at nyu.edu  Wed Apr  2 16:31:54 2003
From: hans at nyu.edu (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:31:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304022047.h32KkMuX016826@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304022047.h32KkMuX016826@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E8B56CA.5060507@nyu.edu>


Lance Lovette wrote:

>Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release of PHP
>and tell me what the output is for them?
>
><?php
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>
>gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be wrong
>
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t)); 
>?>
>
>I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
>
>1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
>1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
>1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
>
>First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the return
>value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to the first
>set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) would always
>return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs forward" for me.
>
http://hans.newyorkphp.com/gmmktime.tmp.php

Probably not what you wanted to see.  That's on a FreeBSD 4.7 system, 
and there are significant bugs (that I think some of the PHP folks are 
trying to skirt :) in relation to DST, mktime() and BSD.

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22163

is just one of them.  Search for mktime and gmmktime at bugs.php.net as 
well.

H




From jhise at nextsource.com  Wed Apr  2 16:39:30 2003
From: jhise at nextsource.com (Hise, Jeremy)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:39:30 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pushing PHP as downloads
Message-ID: <89C3243EE1C6D411A7C200508BDCA846D13E39@nyexch01.nextsource.com>

The answer is ./configure --enable-module=src/modules/php4/libphp4.a is
incorrect....

...sorry for wasting the bandwidth :)

hise

(though apach's configure didn't complain)

-----Original Message-----
From: Hise, Jeremy [mailto:jhise at nextsource.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:10 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pushing PHP as downloads


Hi All:

I just rebuilt my copy of PHP to enable gd support...but now my apache keeps
trying to get me to download my php pages...I've kept my existing httpd.conf
file, which was working perfectly fine before.

Does anyone know why this happens?

Thanks,

hise

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From lance at optimost.com  Wed Apr  2 16:44:37 2003
From: lance at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:44:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304022128.h32LSGuv019784@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002501c2f961$12144f20$0a11010a@lance>

Wow. Those values are way off base. I'm running Red Hat 7.2. Can anyone
produce results from a Red Hat server running PHP 4.3.x?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness



Lance Lovette wrote:

>Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release 
>of PHP and tell me what the output is for them?
>
><?php
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>
>gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be 
>wrong
>
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>?>
>
>I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
>
>1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
>1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
>1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
>
>First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the 
>return value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to 
>the first set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) 
>would always return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs 
>forward" for me.
>
http://hans.newyorkphp.com/gmmktime.tmp.php

Probably not what you wanted to see.  That's on a FreeBSD 4.7 system, 
and there are significant bugs (that I think some of the PHP folks are 
trying to skirt :) in relation to DST, mktime() and BSD.

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22163

is just one of them.  Search for mktime and gmmktime at bugs.php.net as 
well.

H




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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Wed Apr  2 16:59:05 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:59:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304022047.h32KkMxF016826@parsec.nyphp.org>; from lance.listserv@optimost.com on Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 03:46:22PM -0500
References: <200304022047.h32KkMxF016826@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030402165905.F1109@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Lance:
I might be way off base here, but for some reason I have the feeling
that GMT has no Daylight Savings setting.  You ever notice that we're
either -0500 or -0400, depending on the time of the year?  I think
that's what you're running into.

Of course, I may be wrong.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

Windows:  More than enough rope.


From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Wed Apr  2 17:05:28 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:05:28 -0500
Subject: Need Javascript "ArraySearch" function for non-sequential array
Message-ID: <157240-2200343222528988@M2W094.mail2web.com>

have you ever heard of this: You have an array of numbers like (1-10,
20-25, 32, 45-98) and you have to see if your value is in that array - this
is in Javascript, how is that done?

If anyone knows that'd be awesome, thanx!

Phil

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From lance at optimost.com  Wed Apr  2 17:46:21 2003
From: lance at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:46:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304022128.h32LSGuv019784@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002b01c2f969$b00bc980$0a11010a@lance>

Wow. Those values are way off base. I'm running Red Hat 7.2. Can anyone
produce results from a Red Hat server running PHP 4.3.x?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness



Lance Lovette wrote:

>Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release 
>of PHP and tell me what the output is for them?
>
><?php
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>
>gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be 
>wrong
>
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>?>
>
>I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
>
>1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
>1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
>1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
>
>First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the 
>return value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to 
>the first set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) 
>would always return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs 
>forward" for me.
>
http://hans.newyorkphp.com/gmmktime.tmp.php

Probably not what you wanted to see.  That's on a FreeBSD 4.7 system, 
and there are significant bugs (that I think some of the PHP folks are 
trying to skirt :) in relation to DST, mktime() and BSD.

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22163

is just one of them.  Search for mktime and gmmktime at bugs.php.net as 
well.

H




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From anirudh at aumcomputers.com  Thu Apr  3 00:37:37 2003
From: anirudh at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:07:37 +0530
Subject: Caching only images (to save Bandwidth)
Message-ID: <006b01c2f9a3$25c6b480$0164a8c0@com1>

Hello Peeps,

Is it possible to cache only images at my ISP? My exact situation is that my site has thousands of images, that I want to share among lot of users without loading it from server each time. I know i can use browser cache, but it can store whole documents including images but it works for 1 client only and I don't want to cache whole document, but i just want to cache only images. Morover I prefer to cache images on my ISP server rather than relying on client's browser cache. 

In short if user A request a page that laods from server then ISP should retain all images on it's cache and when user B request same page or a such page that contains same images, then images should be loaded from that ISP only not by loading it from my server so that I can save my valuable Bandwidth.

Thanks,

Anirudh Zala

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From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Apr  3 09:59:24 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Well Good Morning!
Message-ID: <20030403145924.75403.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


It's every list's nightmare: bad procmail rules.  A recently subscribed
member has an error in his procmail rules, which reflects all mail right back
to the list - without rewriting any headers.  This is obviously very bad.

The user has been isolated, and while I don't think it was malicious, we're
keeping an eye on it.  My apologies for the spam, and enjoy your day!

Regards,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Apr  3 10:51:45 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:51:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
In-Reply-To: <200304031337.h33DaYuN047743@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030403155145.43769.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


This was the message that started the hailstorm, so I figure I'll jump in and
test the waters :)

--- NYPHP <info at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> Hello Peeps, 
> 
> Is it possible to cache only images at my ISP? My exact situation is that
> my site has thousands of images, that I want to share among lot of users
> without loading it from server each time. I know i can use browser cache,
> but it can store whole documents including images but it works for 1 client
> only and I don't want to cache whole document, but i just want to cache
> only images. Morover I prefer to cache images on my ISP server rather than
> relying on client's browser cache. 

Assuming I understand completly, the answer is no.

> In short if user A request a page that laods from server then ISP should
> retain all images on it's cache and when user B request same page or a such
> page that contains same images, then images should be loaded from that ISP
> only not by loading it from my server so that I can save my valuable
> Bandwidth.

No - you have no control over how other people access your site.  If user is
using an ISP that uses caching, and you have proper caching headers set on
your pages, then it'll save you bandwidth.  But you have no way of enforcing
this.

That said, there is a *slight* chance that you could work something out with
*your* ISP, whereby they cache content for you, and for some insane reason
would charge you less for the bandwidth used, but this is all highly
unlikely.

H


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From lance at optimost.com  Thu Apr  3 11:01:44 2003
From: lance at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:01:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304022128.h32LSGuv019784@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000601c2f9fa$55e0c7d0$0a11010a@lance>

Wow. Although not too surprising, those values are way off base. I'm running
Red Hat 7.2. Can anyone produce results from a Red Hat server running PHP
4.3.x? I want to know the current behavior of gmmktime before I submit a new
bug report.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness



Lance Lovette wrote:

>Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release
>of PHP and tell me what the output is for them?
>
><?php
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T',
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>
>gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be
>wrong
>
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T',
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>?>
>
>I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
>
>1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 1049592600 
>= Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 1049598000 = Sun, 06 
>Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 
>03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 
>GMT expected 2:30 AM 1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT 
>expected 3:00 AM
>
>First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the
>return value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to 
>the first set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) 
>would always return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs 
>forward" for me.
>
http://hans.newyorkphp.com/gmmktime.tmp.php

Probably not what you wanted to see.  That's on a FreeBSD 4.7 system, 
and there are significant bugs (that I think some of the PHP folks are 
trying to skirt :) in relation to DST, mktime() and BSD.

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22163

is just one of them.  Search for mktime and gmmktime at bugs.php.net as 
well.

H




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From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Apr  3 11:09:37 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:09:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] math library
In-Reply-To: <200304021618.h32GIDuL002205@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030403160937.92786.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Carlos,

Good to see they haven't buried you completly :)

--- Carlos Hoyos <cahoyos at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> I just started reading this article:
> 
>       http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-linphp/
> 
> and the first sentence caught my eye
> "In contrast with other open source languages like Perl and Python, PHP
> lacks a robust community effort to develop a math library."

I agree, although am skeptical on the "robust community effort to develop a
math library" for the aforementioned languages, as well.

Regardless, PHP is geared toward Internet connectivity, databases, and
frontend types of manipulation.  Not until recently has it been recognized as
useful for other, "old school" jobs, and there is a lot of room to grow.

> Anyway, php has some math functions built in the standard module (and also
> bcmath)... but I don't recall any advanced math libraries (lineal algebra,
> statistics, series, complex numbers).

I haven't seen anything like this either.  That said, there are some
libraries for graphing functionality (not just drawing the actual graph, but
doing the number crunching), albeit not onpar, last I looked, with some of
the C libs for similar purposes.

> I am originally a mathematician with good experience in algorithms, and
> would be interested in building (or at least sizing the possibility of) an
> advanced math module for php. Could this be worth it for PHP ?

I think so; especially from the perspective of graphing, statistics and
analysis.  It could be hugely useful in the mapping, financial/stock markets,
and scientific arenas.

> If anybody is aware of any work being conducted in that direction, is
> interested in discussing this a bit more, has any suggestions of other
> contacts in that area, please reply or contact me directly

I wish I could help more than saying what a good idea it would be.  This
doesn't help much:

http://www.google.com/search?q=php+math+library

but:

http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=98&discrim=164

may be a nice list of libraries that would be canidates for wrapping in a PHP
extension.

Regards,

H



From drodriguez1 at mac.com  Thu Apr  3 11:12:07 2003
From: drodriguez1 at mac.com (David Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:12:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
In-Reply-To: <200304031552.h33FplHp083822@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <043ED252-65EF-11D7-ADB8-000A27D8C444@mac.com>

That is the kind of thing a service like Akamai does for you.  They 
store copies of whatever images or video you want on servers all over 
the world and when someone makes a request the data is drawn from the 
server closest to the requester.  Go to Akamai.com for more info.  
Otherwise I agree with Hans, you can't do it.

D.

On Thursday, Apr 3, 2003, at 10:51 America/New_York, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
> This was the message that started the hailstorm, so I figure I'll jump 
> in and
> test the waters :)
>
> --- NYPHP <info at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
>> Hello Peeps,
>>
>> Is it possible to cache only images at my ISP? My exact situation is 
>> that
>> my site has thousands of images, that I want to share among lot of 
>> users
>> without loading it from server each time. I know i can use browser 
>> cache,
>> but it can store whole documents including images but it works for 1 
>> client
>> only and I don't want to cache whole document, but i just want to 
>> cache
>> only images. Morover I prefer to cache images on my ISP server rather 
>> than
>> relying on client's browser cache.
>
> Assuming I understand completly, the answer is no.
>
>> In short if user A request a page that laods from server then ISP 
>> should
>> retain all images on it's cache and when user B request same page or 
>> a such
>> page that contains same images, then images should be loaded from 
>> that ISP
>> only not by loading it from my server so that I can save my valuable
>> Bandwidth.
>
> No - you have no control over how other people access your site.  If 
> user is
> using an ISP that uses caching, and you have proper caching headers 
> set on
> your pages, then it'll save you bandwidth.  But you have no way of 
> enforcing
> this.
>
> That said, there is a *slight* chance that you could work something 
> out with
> *your* ISP, whereby they cache content for you, and for some insane 
> reason
> would charge you less for the bandwidth used, but this is all highly
> unlikely.
>
> H
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From lance.listserv at optimost.com  Thu Apr  3 11:21:26 2003
From: lance.listserv at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:21:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304022128.h32LSGuv019784@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c2f9fd$16f0d800$0a11010a@lance>

Wow. Although not too surprising, those values are way off base. I'm running
Red Hat 7.2. Can anyone produce results from a Red Hat server running PHP
4.3.x? I want to know the current behavior of gmmktime before I submit a new
bug report.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness



Lance Lovette wrote:

>Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release 
>of PHP and tell me what the output is for them?
>
><?php
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>
>gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be 
>wrong
>
>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>$t));
>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));

>?>
>
>I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
>
>1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
>1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
>1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
>
>First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the 
>return value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to 
>the first set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) 
>would always return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs 
>forward" for me.
>
http://hans.newyorkphp.com/gmmktime.tmp.php

Probably not what you wanted to see.  That's on a FreeBSD 4.7 system, 
and there are significant bugs (that I think some of the PHP folks are 
trying to skirt :) in relation to DST, mktime() and BSD.

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22163

is just one of them.  Search for mktime and gmmktime at bugs.php.net as 
well.

H




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From max at idsociety.com  Thu Apr  3 11:27:07 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:27:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
References: <200304031552.h33FplGx083822@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E8C60DB.4030803@idsociety.com>

One thing you could try doing is having all of your images go through a 
php script, send some cache headers, then output the image.
Alternatively you could see if there was something you could put in a 
.htaccess that would do the same thing.

This may or may not work but it's definately worth a try.

For more info on caching headers see 
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html

-m


Hans Zaunere wrote:
> This was the message that started the hailstorm, so I figure I'll jump in and
> test the waters :)
> 
> --- NYPHP <info at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> 
>>Hello Peeps, 
>>
>>Is it possible to cache only images at my ISP? My exact situation is that
>>my site has thousands of images, that I want to share among lot of users
>>without loading it from server each time. I know i can use browser cache,
>>but it can store whole documents including images but it works for 1 client
>>only and I don't want to cache whole document, but i just want to cache
>>only images. Morover I prefer to cache images on my ISP server rather than
>>relying on client's browser cache. 
> 
> 
> Assuming I understand completly, the answer is no.
> 
> 
>>In short if user A request a page that laods from server then ISP should
>>retain all images on it's cache and when user B request same page or a such
>>page that contains same images, then images should be loaded from that ISP
>>only not by loading it from my server so that I can save my valuable
>>Bandwidth.
> 
> 
> No - you have no control over how other people access your site.  If user is
> using an ISP that uses caching, and you have proper caching headers set on
> your pages, then it'll save you bandwidth.  But you have no way of enforcing
> this.
> 
> That said, there is a *slight* chance that you could work something out with
> *your* ISP, whereby they cache content for you, and for some insane reason
> would charge you less for the bandwidth used, but this is all highly
> unlikely.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> =====
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> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> 
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From hans at nyu.edu  Thu Apr  3 11:41:58 2003
From: hans at nyu.edu (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:41:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
In-Reply-To: <200304031622.h33GLZJ9087742@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304031622.h33GLZJ9087742@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E8C6456.5080605@nyu.edu>


  PHP 4.3.0 (Apache DSO) on RH 7.3

1049598000 = Sat, 05 Apr 2003 22:00:00 EST expected 2:00 AM
1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM
1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM


H

Lance Lovette wrote:

>Wow. Although not too surprising, those values are way off base. I'm running
>Red Hat 7.2. Can anyone produce results from a Red Hat server running PHP
>4.3.x? I want to know the current behavior of gmmktime before I submit a new
>bug report.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyu.edu] 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:28 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] gmmktime weirdness
>
>
>
>Lance Lovette wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Can someone do me a favor and run this script with the latest release 
>>of PHP and tell me what the output is for them?
>>
>><?php
>>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>>$t));
>>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>>
>>gmmktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1970); // causes later calls to gmmktime to be 
>>wrong
>>
>>$t = gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003);
>>printf('%d = %s expected 2:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', 
>>$t));
>>$t = gmmktime(2, 30, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>>printf('%d = %s expected 2:30 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>$t = gmmktime(3, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003); 
>>printf('%d = %s expected 3:00 AM<br>', $t, gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s T', $t));
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?>
>>
>>I'm running version 4.2.1 and the output makes no sense to me.
>>
>>1049590800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM
>>1049592600 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 01:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM 
>>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 2:00 AM 
>>1049599800 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:30:00 GMT expected 2:30 AM 
>>1049598000 = Sun, 06 Apr 2003 03:00:00 GMT expected 3:00 AM
>>
>>First off, calling gmmktime in the middle of the script changes the 
>>return value of later gmmktime calls even though they are identical to 
>>the first set of calls. Second, I figured gmmktime(2, 0, 0, 4, 6, 2003) 
>>would always return 2 AM even though that's when the time "Springs 
>>forward" for me.
>>
>>    
>>
>http://hans.newyorkphp.com/gmmktime.tmp.php
>
>Probably not what you wanted to see.  That's on a FreeBSD 4.7 system, 
>and there are significant bugs (that I think some of the PHP folks are 
>trying to skirt :) in relation to DST, mktime() and BSD.
>
>http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22163
>
>is just one of them.  Search for mktime and gmmktime at bugs.php.net as 
>well.
>
>H
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>  
>



From danporcher at earthlink.net  Thu Apr  3 13:14:51 2003
From: danporcher at earthlink.net (Daniel Porcher)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:14:51 -0500
Subject: Problems writing session variables
Message-ID: <HNEIIKCCBICBCOEIJDEOOENJENAA.danporcher@earthlink.net>

Can anyone tell me why I can't successfully write out session variables.

I'm test in a Windows AMP environment. I doublechecked the session folder in
php.ini and I'm successfully creating and deleting the sessions themselves.
When I look at the variables in the session file after I execute the code
below, all I see is:

!ses_user|


The code:

<?php

session_start();

loginuser();

function loginuser()
{

   global $_POST;
   global $_SESSION;

   $userid = $_POST['userid'];
   $passwd = $_POST['passwd'];

   //I validate user against DB here, if valid I write out session variables

   $_SESSION['ses_user'] = $userid;
   $_SESSION['ses_access'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'AccessType');
   $_SESSION['ses_orgtype'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgType');
   $_SESSION['ses_orgid'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgID');

}


Thanks,

Dan


Daniel Porcher
President
Watershed Web Design

Website: http://www.watersheddesign.com
E-mail: dporcher at watersheddesign.com
Phone: 609-466-0266

"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."




From ian at plusfour.org  Thu Apr  3 13:32:20 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:32:20 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Problems writing session variables
In-Reply-To: <200304031812.h33IBYJx001687@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <9ACA6584-6602-11D7-96F8-0050E4858059@plusfour.org>

Hi,

See notes below.

On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Daniel Porcher wrote:
>
> function loginuser()
> {
>
>    global $_POST;
>    global $_SESSION;
>
//Add these things to debug, make sure you have data.. and see what 
data you have..
print_r($_POST) . " POST <br>\
";
>    $userid = $_POST['userid'];
>    $passwd = $_POST['passwd'];
>

print_r($_SESSION) . " SESSION <br>\
";
>    //I validate user against DB here, if valid I write out session 
> variables

// i am not sure if this is correct.. print_r the vaules of each field, 
or if you can, get the whole row.. and print_r that row..
print_r($rsSecurity) . " ODBC CONNECTION SOMETHING OR OTHER <br>\
";
>
>    $_SESSION['ses_user'] = $userid;
>    $_SESSION['ses_access'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'AccessType');
>    $_SESSION['ses_orgtype'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgType');
>    $_SESSION['ses_orgid'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgID');
>
print_r($_SESSION) . " SESSION AFTER DB <br>\
";
> }

Does the correct info print out? What is there?

Ian



From davevgl at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 14:19:12 2003
From: davevgl at yahoo.com (David Vogel)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:19:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: file include performance
In-Reply-To: <200304031812.h33IBYNn001687@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030403191912.41170.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

Just wondering if anyone has a sense of how much of a performance hit
you incur by including a file in php.  Specifically I have a script
with two main branches.  Does it make any sense to separate those out
into two different include files, or does the cost of getting a file
outweigh the cost of downloading both branches when only using one?

thanks,
David

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
http://tax.yahoo.com


From ophir at prusak.com  Thu Apr  3 14:50:06 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:50:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file include performance
References: <200304031920.h33JJGK1008490@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <014f01c2fa1a$3a4db4e0$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

The performace hit of reading a file should be very very small.
If the file is read often it'll probably be in the OS's file cache anyways,
so you won't even be reading it from disk.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Vogel" <davevgl at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file include performance


> Just wondering if anyone has a sense of how much of a performance hit
> you incur by including a file in php.  Specifically I have a script
> with two main branches.  Does it make any sense to separate those out
> into two different include files, or does the cost of getting a file
> outweigh the cost of downloading both branches when only using one?
>
> thanks,
> David
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
> http://tax.yahoo.com
>
>
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>
>
>




From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Apr  3 16:06:52 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Problems writing session variables
In-Reply-To: <200304031812.h33IBYJ1001687@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030403210652.57054.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Daniel Porcher <danporcher at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me why I can't successfully write out session variables.
> 
> I'm test in a Windows AMP environment. I doublechecked the session folder
> in
> php.ini and I'm successfully creating and deleting the sessions themselves.
> When I look at the variables in the session file after I execute the code
> below, all I see is:
> 
> !ses_user|
> 
> 
> The code:
> 
> <?php
> 
> session_start();
> 
> loginuser();
> 
> function loginuser()
> {
> 
>    global $_POST;
>    global $_SESSION;

This is unneeded, and may be your problem (although I'm pretty PHP would just
ignore it).  $_POST and $_SESSION are superglobals: they are available in all
scopes.

>    $userid = $_POST['userid'];
>    $passwd = $_POST['passwd'];
> 
>    //I validate user against DB here, if valid I write out session
> variables

Double check that you're actually getting what you expect:
var_dump($userid);
var_dump($passwd);

>    $_SESSION['ses_user'] = $userid;
>    $_SESSION['ses_access'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'AccessType');
>    $_SESSION['ses_orgtype'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgType');
>    $_SESSION['ses_orgid'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgID');

This should work, although I would double check that the odbc_result() calls
return what you expect before investigating it as session troubles first. 
var_dump(); is your friend.

H


> }
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Daniel Porcher
> President
> Watershed Web Design
> 
> Website: http://www.watersheddesign.com
> E-mail: dporcher at watersheddesign.com
> Phone: 609-466-0266
> 
> "A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  3 16:10:55 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:10:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file include performance
In-Reply-To: <200304031919.h33JJGJ1008490@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030403211055.79189.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- David Vogel <davevgl at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has a sense of how much of a performance hit
> you incur by including a file in php.  Specifically I have a script
> with two main branches.  Does it make any sense to separate those out
> into two different include files, or does the cost of getting a file
> outweigh the cost of downloading both branches when only using one?

It might; if you expect a rise in traffic, or experience performance issues
now, you may see a benefit.  It's really a the cost of PHP reading and
compiling the files that's important.  I had a similar message about this:

http://nyphp.org/list/paralist_archive.php?L_mid=3771

( sorry folks - a new, SEARCHABLE mailing list archive is around the corner )

H



> 
> thanks,
> David
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
> http://tax.yahoo.com
> 
> 
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> 
> 



From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Thu Apr  3 16:24:24 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos Hoyos)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:24:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file include performance
Message-ID: <OF39AF6892.CF52FFA8-ON85256CFD.006AA0F1@us.ibm.com>







It really depends on your traffic and load if you can afford it or not.
For some web tools (low traffic), I've included all classes in a file
header to make maintenance easier, as well as code completeness.
This choice, of course, after having profiled my code and realized that
initialization took around 10% of execution time (acceptable for this tool)
(this 10% was after using code cache, it was around 20% before).


Carlos


                                                                                                                                       
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Just wondering if anyone has a sense of how much of a performance hit
you incur by including a file in php.  Specifically I have a script
with two main branches.  Does it make any sense to separate those out
into two different include files, or does the cost of getting a file
outweigh the cost of downloading both branches when only using one?

thanks,
David

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
http://tax.yahoo.com


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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Thu Apr  3 17:34:54 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:34:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file include performance
In-Reply-To: <200304031920.h33JJGLV008490@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304031731490.3595-100000@miranda.org>

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, David Vogel wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone has a sense of how much of a performance hit
> you incur by including a file in php.  Specifically I have a script
> with two main branches.  Does it make any sense to separate those out
> into two different include files, or does the cost of getting a file

The PHP Internals (nee php-dev) mailing list has a few messages from
Rasmus about this topic. (Say about 1-2 months ago.)

In general, unless you're running FreeBSD, things are pretty fast. If
you're running FreeBSD, things can be slow, especially under heavy
load. In his case, heavy load was Yahoo!, so YMMV. :) He made some
modifications to improve performance, so if you do find this to be a
problem, make sure you're running the most recent CVS code, as I don't
know if those patches made it into the current final release.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From chris at shiflett.org  Thu Apr  3 17:46:44 2003
From: chris at shiflett.org (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:46:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file include performance
In-Reply-To: <200304032235.h33MYvKV016295@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030403224644.18001.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg <adam at trachtenberg.com> wrote:
> The PHP Internals (nee php-dev) mailing list has a few messages from
> Rasmus about this topic. (Say about 1-2 months ago.)

Here is the thread if anyone is interested (sorry in advance for the wrapping):

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&frame=right&rnum=1&thl=0,1119753295,1119748537,1119746883,1119725663,1119724441,1119720352,1119719789,1119719651,1119719475,1119717685,1119717149&seekm=b0shk1%241hcu%241%40FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw#link1

Chris

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From melissa at inexact.info  Thu Apr  3 19:16:22 2003
From: melissa at inexact.info (Melissa)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:16:22 -0500
Subject: rewrite help!
In-Reply-To: <200304032247.h33MklH7017171@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JNEOLAPEIIHFPHHIIHEECEHOCCAA.melissa@inexact.info>

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but i was hoping to get some help with
a mod_rewrite problem.  I used a statement in my .htaccess with an error
that caused an infinite loop, and understandably my host got a bit peeved.
If I get it wrong again, they may cancel my account - the problem being,
that I think I have the error corrected, but I don't want to risk testing it
and losing my hosting.

What I am trying to do is to make everything redirect to /index.php:  so
http://inexact.info/this/that would go to http://www.inexact.info/index.php
where lives php that would make use of /this/that as variables - thus
avoiding having urls like inexact.info/index.php?var1=this&var2=that.

Is the following correct to put in .htaccess and achieve this goal, or will
it simply loop infinitly and cause me to get booted from dreamhost?


RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule !\\.(gif|jpg|png|css)$ /home/risoeng/inexact.info/index.php

Thanks,
Melissa



From danporcher at earthlink.net  Thu Apr  3 20:26:55 2003
From: danporcher at earthlink.net (Daniel Porcher)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:26:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Problems writing session variables
In-Reply-To: <200304031832.h33IWREn004224@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <HNEIIKCCBICBCOEIJDEOEEOOENAA.danporcher@earthlink.net>

I appear to be setting the Session variables within the program, but nothing
is actually being stored on the server once the program ends.  If I open the
session file after the php file is run, the file is completely blank.

At first I thought the problem was related to the fact that I was using a
redirect after I set the variables, but removing the redirect made no
difference.

Any other thoughts?

My understanding of how sessions should work is you use session_start() to
create a new session if none exists or access the current session, if it
currently exists.  Writing to a session variable will either create a new
one if it doesn't exist or overwrite an existing value if the variable has
already been created.  Is this correct?

Dan

Here are the var_dumps:

POST:
array(4) { ["action"]=> string(9) "loginuser" ["userid"]=> string(10)
"testagency" ["passwd"]=> string(6) "agency" ["submit"]=> string(5)
"Enter" }

SESSION before accessing DB:
array(0) { }

SESSION after writing variables from DB:
array(4) { ["ses_user"]=> string(10) "testagency" ["ses_access"]=> string(1)
"1" ["ses_orgtype"]=> string(1) "1" ["ses_orgid"]=> string(1) "1" }

ID: 8b516266d29b2b69fb47f2c3145f53f9

iisset(SESSION['ses_user']): 1

session_cache_expire 180

session_cache_limiter nocache



-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Forsyth [mailto:ian at plusfour.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:32 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Problems writing session variables


Hi,

See notes below.

On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Daniel Porcher wrote:
>
> function loginuser()
> {
>
>    global $_POST;
>    global $_SESSION;
>
//Add these things to debug, make sure you have data.. and see what
data you have..
print_r($_POST) . " POST <br>\
";
>    $userid = $_POST['userid'];
>    $passwd = $_POST['passwd'];
>

print_r($_SESSION) . " SESSION <br>\
";
>    //I validate user against DB here, if valid I write out session
> variables

// i am not sure if this is correct.. print_r the vaules of each field,
or if you can, get the whole row.. and print_r that row..
print_r($rsSecurity) . " ODBC CONNECTION SOMETHING OR OTHER <br>\
";
>
>    $_SESSION['ses_user'] = $userid;
>    $_SESSION['ses_access'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'AccessType');
>    $_SESSION['ses_orgtype'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgType');
>    $_SESSION['ses_orgid'] = odbc_result($rsSecurity,'OrgID');
>
print_r($_SESSION) . " SESSION AFTER DB <br>\
";
> }

Does the correct info print out? What is there?

Ian



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From dorgan at optonline.net  Thu Apr  3 23:11:05 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:11:05 -0500
Subject: Fw: Need some help
Message-ID: <00c001c2fa60$370a1fd0$0600020a@dorganmobile>

 Has anyone ever used a java based WYSIWYG called ekit.  I am running into a
problem when i try to display the html loaded from a database. if i have
quotes in the field which happens when the WYSIWYG places <p align="right">
into the field.  When the WYSIWUT displays the information it cuts off all
the information after the first quote and just ends the <p align=""> and I
dont get anything else, can anyone help.



From xml at aumcomputers.com  Fri Apr  4 00:06:57 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (NYPHP)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:36:57 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
References: <200304031612.h33GCBDT086740@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00ca01c2fa68$137431c0$3500a8c0@com1>

Hans,

your comment:

"If  user is using an ISP that uses caching, and you have proper caching
headers set on your pages, then it'll save you bandwidth"

Here seems some hope, then i would like to know what are those proper
"caching headers set" that i need to set in my php script. Consider below
example of function header. (page will be cached for for 1 day, including
all objects that reside in it)

header("Cache-Control: max-age=86400, must-revalidate");

Above function caches page on client or isp (for now forget where it
stores), BUT it stores whole document. While i need to store only IMAGES
that resides in this document. So do ineed to write above header in some
other way so that it will cache only images rather than docment? In short is
there any other arguments like
"Content-type: image/jpg" that i need to pass in above header functions so
that i can cache only images NOT document. I assume it is possible but i
just don't know how, nor i could find any example anywhere.

Thanks,

Anirudh Zala

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Rodriguez" <drodriguez1 at mac.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, 03 April, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images


> That is the kind of thing a service like Akamai does for you.  They
> store copies of whatever images or video you want on servers all over
> the world and when someone makes a request the data is drawn from the
> server closest to the requester.  Go to Akamai.com for more info.
> Otherwise I agree with Hans, you can't do it.
>
> D.
>
> On Thursday, Apr 3, 2003, at 10:51 America/New_York, Hans Zaunere wrote:
>
> >
> > This was the message that started the hailstorm, so I figure I'll jump
> > in and
> > test the waters :)
> >
> > --- NYPHP <info at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Peeps,
> >>
> >> Is it possible to cache only images at my ISP? My exact situation is
> >> that
> >> my site has thousands of images, that I want to share among lot of
> >> users
> >> without loading it from server each time. I know i can use browser
> >> cache,
> >> but it can store whole documents including images but it works for 1
> >> client
> >> only and I don't want to cache whole document, but i just want to
> >> cache
> >> only images. Morover I prefer to cache images on my ISP server rather
> >> than
> >> relying on client's browser cache.
> >
> > Assuming I understand completly, the answer is no.
> >
> >> In short if user A request a page that laods from server then ISP
> >> should
> >> retain all images on it's cache and when user B request same page or
> >> a such
> >> page that contains same images, then images should be loaded from
> >> that ISP
> >> only not by loading it from my server so that I can save my valuable
> >> Bandwidth.
> >
> > No - you have no control over how other people access your site.  If
> > user is
> > using an ISP that uses caching, and you have proper caching headers
> > set on
> > your pages, then it'll save you bandwidth.  But you have no way of
> > enforcing
> > this.
> >
> > That said, there is a *slight* chance that you could work something
> > out with
> > *your* ISP, whereby they cache content for you, and for some insane
> > reason
> > would charge you less for the bandwidth used, but this is all highly
> > unlikely.
> >
> > H
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Hans Zaunere
> > President, New York PHP
> > http://nyphp.org
> > hans at nyphp.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>



From shiflett at php.net  Fri Apr  4 00:18:21 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:18:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
In-Reply-To: <200304040509.h34590KV028666@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030404051821.47723.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

--- NYPHP <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> Here seems some hope, then i would like to know what are those proper
> "caching headers set" that i need to set in my php script. Consider below
> example of function header. (page will be cached for for 1 day, including
> all objects that reside in it)
> 
> header("Cache-Control: max-age=86400, must-revalidate");
> 
> Above function caches page on client or isp (for now forget where it
> stores), BUT it stores whole document. While i need to store only IMAGES
> that resides in this document. So do ineed to write above header in some
> other way so that it will cache only images rather than docment?

Embedded resources such as images are fetched with a separate HTTP request.
What does this mean? It means that the HTTP headers you use in blah.php do not
affect the caching behavior of images within blah.php in any way.

If your images are generated by a PHP script (for example, you use <img
src="/image_generator.php">), then you can use header() calls in the
image_generator.php script to alter the headers of images.

Otherwise (this is the more common case), the headers returned for images
relies completely on your Web server and has nothing to do with your PHP.

Hope that helps; I actually wasn't following this thread, but I wanted to throw
that in. It has been known to cause great confusion (and I'm not entirely sure
I explained it clearly).

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From xml at aumcomputers.com  Fri Apr  4 00:30:06 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (NYPHP)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:00:06 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
References: <200304040518.h345IPDT029505@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00e801c2fa6b$42901a20$3500a8c0@com1>

Chris,

This is right. I am not generating any images using my php script, those are
just static ones that reside in images directory and is being used in php
scripts. My document outputs 270 kb as results including 100kb of those
static images that remains static all the time. So i assumed that if
somehow, by passing headers or something like that i can tell browser cache
or isp cache to store those images at locally and always using from there
only, whenever requested. So for me my script will output only 170 kb and  i
can handle more clients and can save my bandwidth. But i guess it was my
misunderstanding. what do u think?

Thanks

Anirudh Zala

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, 04 April, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images


> --- NYPHP <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > Here seems some hope, then i would like to know what are those proper
> > "caching headers set" that i need to set in my php script. Consider
below
> > example of function header. (page will be cached for for 1 day,
including
> > all objects that reside in it)
> >
> > header("Cache-Control: max-age=86400, must-revalidate");
> >
> > Above function caches page on client or isp (for now forget where it
> > stores), BUT it stores whole document. While i need to store only IMAGES
> > that resides in this document. So do ineed to write above header in some
> > other way so that it will cache only images rather than docment?
>
> Embedded resources such as images are fetched with a separate HTTP
request.
> What does this mean? It means that the HTTP headers you use in blah.php do
not
> affect the caching behavior of images within blah.php in any way.
>
> If your images are generated by a PHP script (for example, you use <img
> src="/image_generator.php">), then you can use header() calls in the
> image_generator.php script to alter the headers of images.
>
> Otherwise (this is the more common case), the headers returned for images
> relies completely on your Web server and has nothing to do with your PHP.
>
> Hope that helps; I actually wasn't following this thread, but I wanted to
throw
> that in. It has been known to cause great confusion (and I'm not entirely
sure
> I explained it clearly).
>
> Chris
>
> =====
> Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> http://httphandbook.org/
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr  4 10:05:02 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:05:02 -0500
Subject: Any way to check for CLI?
Message-ID: <019e01c2fabb$94a784b0$e1951d18@enobrev>

Do any of you by any chance know how to check if a script is called via
command line or from a browser?
 
I have a script that is called from either one, and I need to change the
output methods accordingly.  Looking at the phpinfo, I don't see any
variable that seems like a solid "this is from the command line".
 
Oh, and to slip a second one in here.  What is $_SERVER['PWD']?  I
noticed it shows the dir structure to the current file on my server,
which is fantastic.  Is that what it's supposed to do?  And what does
PWD stand for.
 
Muchos Thanks and have a great Friday!!!
 
Mark
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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Apr  4 10:07:17 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:07:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?
In-Reply-To: <200304041506.h34F5KJx044785@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304041506.h34F5KJx044785@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304041007.17781.brian@preston-campbell.com>

[P]rintf [W]orking [D]irectory ?  Just a guess.

Brian

On Friday 04 April 2003 10:05 am, Mark Armendariz wrote:
> Do any of you by any chance know how to check if a script is called
> via command line or from a browser?
>
> I have a script that is called from either one, and I need to
> change the output methods accordingly.  Looking at the phpinfo, I
> don't see any variable that seems like a solid "this is from the
> command line".
>
> Oh, and to slip a second one in here.  What is $_SERVER['PWD']?  I
> noticed it shows the dir structure to the current file on my
> server, which is fantastic.  Is that what it's supposed to do?  And
> what does PWD stand for.
>
> Muchos Thanks and have a great Friday!!!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---



From tfreedma at ubspw.com  Fri Apr  4 10:10:03 2003
From: tfreedma at ubspw.com (Freedman, Tom S.)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:10:03 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?
Message-ID: <F9E832D44277A64EA6FB98FE9BD720FD01F9C03C@psle07.xchg.pwj.com>

PWD is "Present Working Directory".  It's also *NIX command to display
exactly the same information... kind of a "where am I?"

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:05 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?


Do any of you by any chance know how to check if a script is called via
command line or from a browser?
 
I have a script that is called from either one, and I need to change the
output methods accordingly.  Looking at the phpinfo, I don't see any
variable that seems like a solid "this is from the command line".
 
Oh, and to slip a second one in here.  What is $_SERVER['PWD']?  I
noticed it shows the dir structure to the current file on my server,
which is fantastic.  Is that what it's supposed to do?  And what does
PWD stand for.
 
Muchos Thanks and have a great Friday!!!
 
Mark



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From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Fri Apr  4 10:11:51 2003
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:11:51 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903390B2BE@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

I don't know if this is the right way, but it might work:

'PHP_SELF' 
	The filename of the currently executing script, relative to the
document root. For instance, $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] in a script at the address
http://example.com/test.php/foo.bar would be /test.php/foo.bar. 
	If PHP is running as a command-line processor, this variable is not
available. 
Also, I am curious what get_browser() returns or 'HTTP_USER_AGENT'  under
CLI
Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mark Armendariz [SMTP:nyphp at enobrev.com]
> Sent:	Friday, April 04, 2003 10:05 AM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	[nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?
> 
> Do any of you by any chance know how to check if a script is called via
> command line or from a browser?
>  
> I have a script that is called from either one, and I need to change the
> output methods accordingly.  Looking at the phpinfo, I don't see any
> variable that seems like a solid "this is from the command line".
>  
> Oh, and to slip a second one in here.  What is $_SERVER['PWD']?  I
> noticed it shows the dir structure to the current file on my server,
> which is fantastic.  Is that what it's supposed to do?  And what does
> PWD stand for.
>  
> Muchos Thanks and have a great Friday!!!
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 


From dsexton at ubspw.com  Fri Apr  4 10:11:52 2003
From: dsexton at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:11:52 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789D48@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

It stands for "present working directory". What you could do is run your
command line script from a specific directory and then use $_SERVER['PWD']
to determine if it's in the command-line only directory. Unless you have
some requirements for running it from a specific location.

-Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:05 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?


Do any of you by any chance know how to check if a script is called via
command line or from a browser?
 
I have a script that is called from either one, and I need to change the
output methods accordingly.  Looking at the phpinfo, I don't see any
variable that seems like a solid "this is from the command line".
 
Oh, and to slip a second one in here.  What is $_SERVER['PWD']?  I
noticed it shows the dir structure to the current file on my server,
which is fantastic.  Is that what it's supposed to do?  And what does
PWD stand for.
 
Muchos Thanks and have a great Friday!!!
 
Mark



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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr  4 10:12:55 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:12:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?
In-Reply-To: <200304041510.h34FAFFF046331@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01a601c2fabc$ab7c9760$e1951d18@enobrev>

*entered it into the ssh window.. a HA!!

Thanks you sirs.

Have a fantastic weekend!

Maek

-----Original Message-----
From: Freedman, Tom S. [mailto:tfreedma at ubspw.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:10 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?

PWD is "Present Working Directory".  It's also *NIX command to display
exactly the same information... kind of a "where am I?"

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:05 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any way to check for CLI?


Do any of you by any chance know how to check if a script is called via
command line or from a browser?
 
I have a script that is called from either one, and I need to change the
output methods accordingly.  Looking at the phpinfo, I don't see any
variable that seems like a solid "this is from the command line".
 
Oh, and to slip a second one in here.  What is $_SERVER['PWD']?  I
noticed it shows the dir structure to the current file on my server,
which is fantastic.  Is that what it's supposed to do?  And what does
PWD stand for.
 
Muchos Thanks and have a great Friday!!!
 
Mark







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From ian at plusfour.org  Fri Apr  4 13:41:17 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:41:17 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching only images
In-Reply-To: <200304040532.h345VvJv030410@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <056DFF12-66CD-11D7-93B3-0050E4858059@plusfour.org>

http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ.html

if you are in cahoots with sysadmin of you isp...

Ian



From melissa at inexact.info  Fri Apr  4 22:20:06 2003
From: melissa at inexact.info (Melissa)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:20:06 -0500
Subject: FW: rewrite help!
Message-ID: <JNEOLAPEIIHFPHHIIHEEGEIGCCAA.melissa@inexact.info>

Guys, not to be a pain or anything, but does anyone have any thoughts on
this matter?

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa [mailto:melissa at inexact.info]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:16 PM
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: rewrite help!


Sorry if this is a little off topic, but i was hoping to get some help with
a mod_rewrite problem.  I used a statement in my .htaccess with an error
that caused an infinite loop, and understandably my host got a bit peeved.
If I get it wrong again, they may cancel my account - the problem being,
that I think I have the error corrected, but I don't want to risk testing it
and losing my hosting.

What I am trying to do is to make everything redirect to /index.php:  so
http://inexact.info/this/that would go to http://www.inexact.info/index.php
where lives php that would make use of /this/that as variables - thus
avoiding having urls like inexact.info/index.php?var1=this&var2=that.

Is the following correct to put in .htaccess and achieve this goal, or will
it simply loop infinitly and cause me to get booted from dreamhost?


RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule !\\.(gif|jpg|png|css)$ /home/risoeng/inexact.info/index.php

Thanks,
Melissa



From nyphp at websapp.com  Sat Apr  5 09:26:45 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:26:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: rewrite help!
In-Reply-To: <200304050321.h353K8MV065472@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOELJJKAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

RewriteRule !\\.(gif|jpg|png|css)$ /home/risoeng/inexact.info/index.php

Would also redirect index.php to index.php! I am sure that this is not what
you want.

Try something adding "NOT index.php" in your regular expression.

Regards,
Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
daniel at nyphp.org



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melissa [mailto:melissa at inexact.info]
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:20 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: rewrite help!
>
>
> Guys, not to be a pain or anything, but does anyone have any thoughts on
> this matter?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melissa [mailto:melissa at inexact.info]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:16 PM
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: rewrite help!
>
>
> Sorry if this is a little off topic, but i was hoping to get some
> help with
> a mod_rewrite problem.  I used a statement in my .htaccess with an error
> that caused an infinite loop, and understandably my host got a bit peeved.
> If I get it wrong again, they may cancel my account - the problem being,
> that I think I have the error corrected, but I don't want to risk
> testing it
> and losing my hosting.
>
> What I am trying to do is to make everything redirect to /index.php:  so
> http://inexact.info/this/that would go to
> http://www.inexact.info/index.php
> where lives php that would make use of /this/that as variables - thus
> avoiding having urls like inexact.info/index.php?var1=this&var2=that.
>
> Is the following correct to put in .htaccess and achieve this
> goal, or will
> it simply loop infinitly and cause me to get booted from dreamhost?
>
>
> RewriteEngine on
> RewriteRule !\\.(gif|jpg|png|css)$ /home/risoeng/inexact.info/index.php
>
> Thanks,
> Melissa
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>




From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sat Apr  5 22:28:36 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 19:28:36 -0800
Subject: crossplatform mod_auth_mysql?
Message-ID: <000501c2fbec$9ceb11a0$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

hey,

im currently looking for mod_auth_mysql to develop on win and deploy on
debian box but am trying to figure out what options there are ...
unfortunatly its a requirement mixed with some rsa/misc encyption stuff so i
have to use the module.

i came across this ...

http://apache.dev.wapme.net/modules/mod_auth_mysql-2.20/

but seems kinda out of date, can i cygwin/build the original .c file and
expect it to work on apache 2.0?

thanks.

- jon



From sterling at bumblebury.com  Sun Apr  6 11:36:55 2003
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: 06 Apr 2003 11:36:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] crossplatform mod_auth_mysql?
In-Reply-To: <200304060329.h363SxJn096085@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304060329.h363SxJn096085@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1049643414.28044.42.camel@hasele>

On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 22:28, Jon Baer wrote:
> hey,
> 
> im currently looking for mod_auth_mysql to develop on win and deploy on
> debian box but am trying to figure out what options there are ...
> unfortunatly its a requirement mixed with some rsa/misc encyption stuff so i
> have to use the module.
> 
> i came across this ...
> 
> http://apache.dev.wapme.net/modules/mod_auth_mysql-2.20/
> 
> but seems kinda out of date, can i cygwin/build the original .c file and
> expect it to work on apache 2.0?
> 

http://www.heuer.org/mod_auth_mysql/

-Sterling

> thanks.
> 
> - jon
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
-- 
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from 
bad judgement. 
    - Fred Brooks



From tech_learner at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  7 00:37:40 2003
From: tech_learner at yahoo.com (Tracy)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:37:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php include file question
In-Reply-To: <200303311930.h2VJT50x087920@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030407043740.4188.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>


Yes, if i remember right i read that all of include(x) 's and require(x) 's treat the x's as HTML and so u have to <? ... ?> to get php into action 
Tracy
 "Hise, Jeremy" <jhise at nextsource.com> wrote:I just performed this test.

1) Created a file called inctest.php
2) Contents of inctest.php

include("./myinc.php");
?>

3) Created file called myinc.php
4) Contents of myinc.php (note there are no )

print("Hello");

5) Loaded up file inctest.php in browser
6) Output is:

print("Hello");

So it seems to me that you MUST put the PHP code in the INCLUDED file IN and ?> in order for it to be parsed. It doesn't matter that you are
including it from withing PHP and it doesn't matter that it ends with .php.
It will not be parsed if it is not in .

This test was run on RH 7.3 with PHP 4.3.0-dev with Apache 1.3.22



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From adam at ecamp.net  Mon Apr  7 16:27:41 2003
From: adam at ecamp.net (Adam)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:27:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] password for PHPCON East
In-Reply-To: <200303052107.h25L7IX7026579@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <E611448D39E13C4EA7D8D8C968EF9C6D128469@bertha.bertha.ecamp.net>

Can someone post me the password?  I want to register before it goes
away today! :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:07 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] password for PHPCON East


Hi Matt,

--- Matthew Zimmerman <mz34 at nyu.edu> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am registering for the PHPCON East conference and I notice there is
a 
> registration option for NYPHP members, but it requires a password.
> 
> If it has already been posted to the list, I apologize, but could 
> someone post it again?

We're waiting on the go ahead to post the discount password, hopefully
by
this evening.

Thanks,

H

> 
> MZ
> _________________
> Matthew Zimmerman
> Humanities Computing Group, NYU
> Tel: 212.998.3038
> Fax: 212.995.4120
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From daniel at websapp.com  Mon Apr  7 16:42:44 2003
From: daniel at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:42:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] password for PHPCON East
In-Reply-To: <200304072031.h37KUHMV050921@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPCEBJEGAA.daniel@websapp.com>

newyorkphp



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam [mailto:adam at ecamp.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] password for PHPCON East
> 
> 
> Can someone post me the password?  I want to register before it goes
> away today! :)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] password for PHPCON East
> 
> 
> Hi Matt,
> 
> --- Matthew Zimmerman <mz34 at nyu.edu> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am registering for the PHPCON East conference and I notice there is
> a 
> > registration option for NYPHP members, but it requires a password.
> > 
> > If it has already been posted to the list, I apologize, but could 
> > someone post it again?
> 
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From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Apr  9 16:22:33 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Announcing NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA at http://dev.nyphp.org
Message-ID: <20030409202233.57638.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Good afternoon,

New York PHP is proud to announce NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA.  It is a completely
redesigned site, adding such great features as an event calendar, news
articles, picture gallery, searching, improved jobs board and banners, better
layout and just an overall wonderful appearance!

This site wouldn't be possible without the steadfast efforts of the New York
PHP Development Team:

-- Stefan Antonowicz
-- Alexander Chan
-- Chris Hendry
-- Jeff Knight
-- Peter Lehrer
-- Peter Sawczynec

Thank You!

And a special thank you to team leaders Jeff K. and Peter S., Director Daniel
Krook, and everyone who has helped over the last couple of months.

We urge you to visit http://dev.nyphp.org and use the site as much as
possible.  Try all the new functionality, look for bugs and see how it holds
up!  It is still beta, but we are working diligently on getting it released
to the NYPHP.org domain by week's end.  Please post any problems,
suggestions, errors or offers of help to dev at nyphp.org (make sure you're
subscribed; go to http://dev.nyphp.org and click Mailing Lists).

Thank you,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 11:06:00 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RTML
In-Reply-To: <200302261723.h1QHLRKF059751@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030410150600.72306.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>


Where can I find a reference book and editor for RTML? I totally
don't understand what is RTML.

Thank you for help!

LY


__________________________________________________
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From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Thu Apr 10 11:32:41 2003
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:32:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Announcing NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA at http://dev.nyp
	hp.org
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F0A6D9C4C@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


I like the new appearance, more organized and sophisticated. But....
#1)  Sluggish - ... was this new site made with coldfusion?!
	Takes at least 3-4 seconds to load/render most pages.
#2) The "Store"...Love it ! Didn't know NYPHP mugs and teddy bears were
available.  Even a NYPHP Thong!

My hat's off to the dev.nyphp team! Kudos!

-Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Announcing NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA at
http://dev.nyphp.org



Good afternoon,

New York PHP is proud to announce NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA.  It is a completely
redesigned site, adding such great features as an event calendar, news
articles, picture gallery, searching, improved jobs board and banners,
better
layout and just an overall wonderful appearance!

This site wouldn't be possible without the steadfast efforts of the New York
PHP Development Team:

-- Stefan Antonowicz
-- Alexander Chan
-- Chris Hendry
-- Jeff Knight
-- Peter Lehrer
-- Peter Sawczynec

Thank You!

And a special thank you to team leaders Jeff K. and Peter S., Director
Daniel
Krook, and everyone who has helped over the last couple of months.

We urge you to visit http://dev.nyphp.org and use the site as much as
possible.  Try all the new functionality, look for bugs and see how it holds
up!  It is still beta, but we are working diligently on getting it released
to the NYPHP.org domain by week's end.  Please post any problems,
suggestions, errors or offers of help to dev at nyphp.org (make sure you're
subscribed; go to http://dev.nyphp.org and click Mailing Lists).

Thank you,


=====
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President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


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From rutzj at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 13:37:46 2003
From: rutzj at yahoo.com (Jeremy Rutz)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Parameter Question
Message-ID: <20030410173746.46279.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com>


I'm trying to pass the parameter '#' between PHP programs, as in:

program.php?letter=# 

and I'm finding the '#' parameter does not get passed, although other alphanumeric characters do. I just need confirmation '#' is a reserved character that cannot be used as a parameter. Also, what other restrictions are placed on parameters? Do they have to be alphanumeric?

Thanks,

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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Apr 10 13:48:26 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parameter Question
In-Reply-To: <200304101738.h3AHbnKX037378@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030410174826.98494.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Jeremy,

--- Jeremy Rutz <rutzj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to pass the parameter '#' between PHP programs, as in:
> 
> program.php?letter=#

The pound sign indicates a fragment in a URL, so it is an invalid character to
be used otherwise. All you have to do, however, is URL encode it:

program.php?letter=<? echo urlencode('#'); ?>

That's a bit verbose, but you get the idea. :-)

Chris

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From tfreedma at ubspw.com  Thu Apr 10 13:53:03 2003
From: tfreedma at ubspw.com (Freedman, Tom S.)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:53:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML
Message-ID: <F9E832D44277A64EA6FB98FE9BD720FD01F9C088@psle07.xchg.pwj.com>

>From some Googling, I found this site for the Remote Telescope Markup
Language: http://hou.lbl.gov/rtml/index.html

Hope that helps!
-Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML



Where can I find a reference book and editor for RTML? I totally
don't understand what is RTML.

Thank you for help!

LY


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From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Thu Apr 10 14:02:12 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:02:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML
In-Reply-To: <200304101753.h3AHr9M3038989@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OFD66ABA8E.79BD4B21-ON85256D04.0062819D-85256D04.0062F13F@us.ibm.com>







You might be speaking about the "yahoo store" proprietary language.
They claim it's a "real programming language", but the only time I had to
deal with it I found it quite hard to work with...

Language overview:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/vw/rtml.html




Carlos



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From: MAILER-DAEMON at optonline.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <200304101854.h3AIsZgG000080@asv4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 16:04:23 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML -- Carlos A Hoyos
In-Reply-To: <200304101803.h3AI2PN7039978@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030410200423.6780.qmail@web12208.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, you are right. but have to know it if I want the store be
more like a website. Did you try to build a template? Is there a
way I can edit it in local machine? what is the file 's
extension? Can I just use IE or netscape to run it?

thanks for your help!

LY


--- Carlos A Hoyos <cahoyos at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You might be speaking about the "yahoo store" proprietary
> language.
> They claim it's a "real programming language", but the only
> time I had to
> deal with it I found it quite hard to work with...
> 
> Language overview:
> http://shop.store.yahoo.com/vw/rtml.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 


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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Thu Apr 10 16:32:06 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:32:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parameter Question
Message-ID: <004401c2ffa0$4146bb80$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Jeremy,
Some characters need to be URL-encoded in order to be included in a URL.
# should be represented as %23.. in your case:
program.php?letter=%23

These should help:
http://www.ittc.ukans.edu/~paden/reference/guides/Encode/url.html
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_ref_urlencode.asp
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1738.html

cheers,
Jerry


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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Rutz <rutzj at yahoo.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parameter Question


>
>I'm trying to pass the parameter '#' between PHP programs, as in:
>
>program.php?letter=#
>
>and I'm finding the '#' parameter does not get passed, although other
alphanumeric characters do. I just need confirmation '#' is a reserved
character that cannot be used as a parameter. Also, what other restrictions
are placed on parameters? Do they have to be alphanumeric?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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>Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
>
>
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>
>



From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Thu Apr 10 18:20:03 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:20:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML -- Carlos A Hoyos
In-Reply-To: <200304102005.h3AK4QM1043629@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OFCBB4205F.50C70F6F-ON85256D04.0078787D-85256D04.007A8C5E@us.ibm.com>







since it has my name on the subject, I might as well answer it ;)

I haven't had much exposure to RTML, but as tech lead on a store migration
from Yahoo, I played around with this code.
I know RTML was developed by a small group of folks who didn't quite
document it... my impression is that it's a holdover from the 'good old
days' and that they don't know how to get rid of it. (yeahh, I know, I'm
also thinking they should replace it with php).

Resources: I remember downloading an ebook ("RTML for Yahoo! Store") which
was useless, think I lost the file, but if I find it I'll send it to you.
I am not aware of any compiler or local environment to do local
development.

I also remember that I felt the same frustration, since being not
documented, an industry of "specialized firms" that make yahoo stores, and
they are not releasing any documentation or knowledge that they might have.

It's still hard to believe why yahoo decided on a proprietary language,
instead of some open standard... well, maybe they learned the lesson and
that's why they are going for php now...




Carlos


                                                                                                                                       
                      LY                                                                                                               
                      <heli_travel at yaho        To:       NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>                                                   
                      o.com>                   cc:                                                                                     
                                               Subject:  RE: [nycphp-talk] RTML -- Carlos A Hoyos                                       
                      04/10/2003 04:04                                                                                                 
                      PM                                                                                                               
                      Please respond to                                                                                                
                      talk                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                       



Yes, you are right. but have to know it if I want the store be
more like a website. Did you try to build a template? Is there a
way I can edit it in local machine? what is the file 's
extension? Can I just use IE or netscape to run it?

thanks for your help!

LY


--- Carlos A Hoyos <cahoyos at us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You might be speaking about the "yahoo store" proprietary
> language.
> They claim it's a "real programming language", but the only
> time I had to
> deal with it I found it quite hard to work with...
>
> Language overview:
> http://shop.store.yahoo.com/vw/rtml.html
>
>
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 10 22:08:00 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:08:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML -- thanks
In-Reply-To: <200304102221.h3AMKDN7047370@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411020800.85909.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com>

thank you so much Carlos! your name is inside now! Sorry about
the inside out! Looks like I have a long lonely way to go ...

Thanks Again!

LY

--- Carlos A Hoyos <cahoyos at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> since it has my name on the subject, I might as well answer it
> ;)
> 
> I haven't had much exposure to RTML, but as tech lead on a
> store migration
> from Yahoo, I played around with this code.
> I know RTML was developed by a small group of folks who didn't
> quite
> document it... my impression is that it's a holdover from the
> 'good old
> days' and that they don't know how to get rid of it. (yeahh, I
> know, I'm
> also thinking they should replace it with php).
> 
> Resources: I remember downloading an ebook ("RTML for Yahoo!
> Store") which
> was useless, think I lost the file, but if I find it I'll send
> it to you.
> I am not aware of any compiler or local environment to do
> local
> development.
> 
> I also remember that I felt the same frustration, since being
> not
> documented, an industry of "specialized firms" that make yahoo
> stores, and
> they are not releasing any documentation or knowledge that
> they might have.
> 
> It's still hard to believe why yahoo decided on a proprietary
> language,
> instead of some open standard... well, maybe they learned the
> lesson and
> that's why they are going for php now...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
>                                                               
>                                                               
>          
>                       LY                                      
>                                                               
>          
>                       <heli_travel at yaho        To:       NYPHP
> Talk <talk at nyphp.org>                                         
>          
>                       o.com>                   cc:            
>                                                               
>          
>                                                Subject:  RE:
> [nycphp-talk] RTML -- Carlos A Hoyos                           
>            
>                       04/10/2003 04:04                        
>                                                               
>          
>                       PM                                      
>                                                               
>          
>                       Please respond to                       
>                                                               
>          
>                       talk                                    
>                                                               
>          
>                                                               
>                                                               
>          
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, you are right. but have to know it if I want the store be
> more like a website. Did you try to build a template? Is there
> a
> way I can edit it in local machine? what is the file 's
> extension? Can I just use IE or netscape to run it?
> 
> thanks for your help!
> 
> LY
> 
> 
> --- Carlos A Hoyos <cahoyos at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You might be speaking about the "yahoo store" proprietary
> > language.
> > They claim it's a "real programming language", but the only
> > time I had to
> > deal with it I found it quite hard to work with...
> >
> > Language overview:
> > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/vw/rtml.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
> http://tax.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 11 08:42:11 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Announcing NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA at http://dev.nyp hp.org
In-Reply-To: <200304101533.h3AFWkJ3032846@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411124211.40773.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


> I like the new appearance, more organized and sophisticated. But....
> #1)  Sluggish - ... was this new site made with coldfusion?!
> 	Takes at least 3-4 seconds to load/render most pages.

The site is slightly slower, since it does more, but I've never seen anywhere
near 3-4 seconds to load up.  We're continuing to make some tweaks, so keep
an eye on it and let us know how things end up.

> #2) The "Store"...Love it ! Didn't know NYPHP mugs and teddy bears were
> available.  Even a NYPHP Thong!

You bet :)

> My hat's off to the dev.nyphp team! Kudos!

Thank you Eddy; these guys did a really great thing.

H

> 
> -Ed
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Announcing NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA at
> http://dev.nyphp.org
> 
> 
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> New York PHP is proud to announce NYPHP.org v2.0-BETA.  It is a completely
> redesigned site, adding such great features as an event calendar, news
> articles, picture gallery, searching, improved jobs board and banners,
> better
> layout and just an overall wonderful appearance!
> 
> This site wouldn't be possible without the steadfast efforts of the New
> York
> PHP Development Team:
> 
> -- Stefan Antonowicz
> -- Alexander Chan
> -- Chris Hendry
> -- Jeff Knight
> -- Peter Lehrer
> -- Peter Sawczynec
> 
> Thank You!
> 
> And a special thank you to team leaders Jeff K. and Peter S., Director
> Daniel
> Krook, and everyone who has helped over the last couple of months.
> 
> We urge you to visit http://dev.nyphp.org and use the site as much as
> possible.  Try all the new functionality, look for bugs and see how it
> holds
> up!  It is still beta, but we are working diligently on getting it released
> to the NYPHP.org domain by week's end.  Please post any problems,
> suggestions, errors or offers of help to dev at nyphp.org (make sure you're
> subscribed; go to http://dev.nyphp.org and click Mailing Lists).
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri Apr 11 09:05:12 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:05:12 -0400
Subject: PHP/ASP anomaly
Message-ID: <29950-2200345111351250@M2W046.mail2web.com>

Hey.. the past few days I've noticed a rather strange phenomenon occur..

On my website (http://valsignalandet.com) I have a link to some pages on a
site that are written in ASP (because of the demands of the host those
pages are on).  On occasion the site will go berzerk due to possible memory
leaks on the server end and thus my ASP pages will all crash..

All but one..

This one page is called up by a PHP script I wrote on my V?l site
(http://valsignalandet.com/events/calendar.php), and every time everything
else crashes on the site where the ASP scripts are, this one PHP page
consistently pulls up the remote ASP script anyway!

What does anyone make of that? I'm both dumbfounded and devilishly
delighted at the same time! >:)

Phil

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From hans at nyphp.org  Fri Apr 11 09:43:33 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PHPCon Exhibitors
Message-ID: <20030411134333.64662.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Good morning,

New York PHP is in need of one or two more exhibitors for PHPCon 2003.  The
badge would give you access to both Opening and Closing keynote addresses,
all evening sessions (after 6 pm on Thursday), and all social events.

The needed times are:

Set Up and Clean Up:
Display space set up: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 2 pm to 6 pm
Display space clean up: Friday, April 25, 2003 - 5 pm to 8 pm

Exhibit hours:
Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 9 am to 6 pm
Friday, April 25, 2003 - 9 am to 5 pm

Evening Sessions:
Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 6 pm to 9 pm


We currently have spotty coverage, so someone who could dedicate at least one
or two full days would be great.

Thank you,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 10:22:16 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:22:16 -0400
Subject: MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <4b59d74b8c12.4b8c124b59d7@optonline.net>

You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows from an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little background on what I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)

I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The Ascii file gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's completed and there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I want to move the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data from data_new to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move the data from one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other than walking through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on the fly...and then inserting the row into data_live?

BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move it data from data_old to data_live.

Jeff



From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Apr 11 10:29:43 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:29:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <E193zXD-0002T2-00@rslrs1-server.com>

phpMyAdmin has a nice tool to do it for you.

But this is all that it's really doing.

INSERT INTO dbTwo.tableName SELECT * FROM dbOne.tableName



> You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows
from an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little
background on what I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind
I'm a Php/MySQL newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> 
> I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The Ascii file
gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's completed
and there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I want
to move the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data
from data_new to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to
move the data from one MySQL table to another (from data_new to
data_live) other than walking through data_new row by row...creating an
Insert statement on the fly...and then inserting the row into data_live?
> 
> BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I
felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If
there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the
Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I
would move it data from data_old to data_live.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 
> 





From nyphp at jimbishop.org  Fri Apr 11 10:30:30 2003
From: nyphp at jimbishop.org (nyphp at jimbishop.org)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
In-Reply-To: <200304111424.h3BEO9HN067435@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304110728010.18134-100000@cypress.he.net>

> BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I
> felt that this was a better way than my client's present system which
> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If
> there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the
> Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I
> would move it data from data_old to data_live.


a better system would be to store all of the data in one table and then
have a "status" table that kept track of what was live data, old data,
etc.  then when you want to pull the "live" data, you query the
"status" table which holds a foreign key to the data table.

no moving data around.  no duplication of data. 







From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 10:34:03 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:34:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <48de36490bae.490bae48de36@optonline.net>

phpMyAdmin is GREAT tool. However, this is something that the "end user" (i.e., my client) would be doing and I don't want to allow them to use phpMyAdmin. 

I had thought of the the Insert into...select statement but, though I hadn't tried it...I was bit concerned since the select statement would pull 2.5 million rows...unless MySql is smart enough to handle this without running out of memory or temp space.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Pang <bpang at bpang.com>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:29 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> phpMyAdmin has a nice tool to do it for you.
> 
> But this is all that it's really doing.
> 
> INSERT INTO dbTwo.tableName SELECT * FROM dbOne.tableName
> 
> 
> 
> > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows
> from an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little
> background on what I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind
> I'm a Php/MySQL newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > 
> > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The 
> Ascii file
> gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> completedand there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the 
> Ascii file), I want
> to move the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data
> from data_new to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast 
> way to
> move the data from one MySQL table to another (from data_new to
> data_live) other than walking through data_new row by 
> row...creating an
> Insert statement on the fly...and then inserting the row into 
> data_live?> 
> > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> tables, I
> felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If
> there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the
> Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I
> would move it data from data_old to data_live.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From keremtuzemen at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 11 10:34:10 2003
From: keremtuzemen at hotmail.com (Kerem Tuzemen)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:34:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
References: <200304111424.h3BEO9GN067435@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE465JMeqIfxSeUO3iI00007a3f@hotmail.com>

Hey Jeff

Why don't you put all of the data into the same table and add a smallint
field to keep the status of a particular record (i.e. showing which group it
belongs)? If needed, you can make it 2 or 3 different fields. That way
you'll have just one table and if I'm not missing something, it should work
pretty fast compared to your 3 table structure.

Good luck.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!


> You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows from
an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little background on what
I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
>
> I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The Ascii file
gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's completed and
there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I want to move
the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data from data_new
to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move the data from
one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other than walking
through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on the fly...and
then inserting the row into data_live?
>
> BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I
felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If there is
a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. Doing it
this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move it data from
data_old to data_live.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 10:38:05 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:38:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <47c0cb47d14e.47d14e47c0cb@optonline.net>

A status table or an additional column that notes whether the data is live/old/new? Keep in mind that the website gets about 1000 inquiries daily that hit this particular table...that's why I thought about 3 separate tables. (Having it all in one table would be about 7.5 million rows).

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: nyphp at jimbishop.org
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:30 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> tables, I
> > felt that this was a better way than my client's present system 
> which> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii 
> file. If
> > there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the
> > Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old 
> data, I
> > would move it data from data_old to data_live.
> 
> 
> a better system would be to store all of the data in one table and 
> thenhave a "status" table that kept track of what was live data, 
> old data,
> etc.  then when you want to pull the "live" data, you query the
> "status" table which holds a foreign key to the data table.
> 
> no moving data around.  no duplication of data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Apr 11 10:39:59 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:39:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <E193zh9-00038X-00@rslrs1-server.com>

then perhaps a read of the manual is in order...

I'd start here

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Backup.html


> phpMyAdmin is GREAT tool. However, this is something that the "end
user" (i.e., my client) would be doing and I don't want to allow them to
use phpMyAdmin. 
> 
> I had thought of the the Insert into...select statement but, though I
hadn't tried it...I was bit concerned since the select statement would
pull 2.5 million rows...unless MySql is smart enough to handle this
without running out of memory or temp space.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Pang <bpang at bpang.com>
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:29 am
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> 
> > phpMyAdmin has a nice tool to do it for you.
> > 
> > But this is all that it's really doing.
> > 
> > INSERT INTO dbTwo.tableName SELECT * FROM dbOne.tableName
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows
> > from an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little
> > background on what I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind
> > I'm a Php/MySQL newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > > 
> > > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The 
> > Ascii file
> > gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> > completedand there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the 
> > Ascii file), I want
> > to move the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data
> > from data_new to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast 
> > way to
> > move the data from one MySQL table to another (from data_new to
> > data_live) other than walking through data_new row by 
> > row...creating an
> > Insert statement on the fly...and then inserting the row into 
> > data_live?> 
> > > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> > tables, I
> > felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
> > simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If
> > there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the
> > Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I
> > would move it data from data_old to data_live.
> > > 
> > > Jeff
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 
> 





From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 10:40:32 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:40:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <30754630617b.30617b307546@optonline.net>

You're the second person who suggested this so...if I "design by consensus" this seems to be the way to go. 

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Kerem Tuzemen <keremtuzemen at hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:36 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> Hey Jeff
> 
> Why don't you put all of the data into the same table and add a 
> smallintfield to keep the status of a particular record (i.e. 
> showing which group it
> belongs)? If needed, you can make it 2 or 3 different fields. That way
> you'll have just one table and if I'm not missing something, it 
> should work
> pretty fast compared to your 3 table structure.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> 
> 
> > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million 
> rows from
> an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little 
> background on what
> I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
> newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> >
> > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The 
> Ascii file
> gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> completed and
> there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I 
> want to move
> the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data 
> from data_new
> to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move the 
> data from
> one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other than 
> walkingthrough data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement 
> on the fly...and
> then inserting the row into data_live?
> >
> > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> tables, I
> felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. 
> If there is
> a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. 
> Doing it
> this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move it 
> data from
> data_old to data_live.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 11:13:51 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:13:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <482e72482700.482700482e72@optonline.net>

Thanks! I'll check that out to see if it will help in this situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Pang <bpang at bpang.com>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:40 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> then perhaps a read of the manual is in order...
> 
> I'd start here
> 
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Backup.html
> 
> 
> > phpMyAdmin is GREAT tool. However, this is something that the "end
> user" (i.e., my client) would be doing and I don't want to allow 
> them to
> use phpMyAdmin. 
> > 
> > I had thought of the the Insert into...select statement but, 
> though I
> hadn't tried it...I was bit concerned since the select statement would
> pull 2.5 million rows...unless MySql is smart enough to handle this
> without running out of memory or temp space.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Pang <bpang at bpang.com>
> > Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:29 am
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> > 
> > > phpMyAdmin has a nice tool to do it for you.
> > > 
> > > But this is all that it's really doing.
> > > 
> > > INSERT INTO dbTwo.tableName SELECT * FROM dbOne.tableName
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 
> million rows
> > > from an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little
> > > background on what I've done and then a question. (Please keep 
> in mind
> > > I'm a Php/MySQL newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > > > 
> > > > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The 
> > > Ascii file
> > > gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> > > completedand there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the 
> > > Ascii file), I want
> > > to move the data from data_live to data_old and then move the 
> new data
> > > from data_new to data_live. So...the question...is there a 
> fast 
> > > way to
> > > move the data from one MySQL table to another (from data_new to
> > > data_live) other than walking through data_new row by 
> > > row...creating an
> > > Insert statement on the fly...and then inserting the row into 
> > > data_live?> 
> > > > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> > > tables, I
> > > felt that this was a better way  than my client's present 
> system which
> > > simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii 
> file. If
> > > there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the
> > > Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old 
> data, I
> > > would move it data from data_old to data_live.
> > > > 
> > > > Jeff
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Apr 11 11:34:13 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
References: <200304111424.h3BEO9Df067435@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004d01c3003f$ce9ad8a0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

You may want to save time and not move the data around at all.

The idea would be to have 3 tables all structured the same each named
uniquely.  Start by loading up table 1, then in the application point the
data to table1.  When doing the next import, detect that table 1 contains
the live data so use table2 to import the data.  If the data imports
correctly, change the app to point to table2, table1 now becomes your old
data.  Next import table 3 becomes your import, then live, table 2 becomes
old, table 1 gets emptied ready for next import.  Next import, 1 becomes
import then live, table 3 becomes old, table 2 gets emptied ready for next
import.

Hope you get the idea.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!


> You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows from
an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little background on what
I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
>
> I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The Ascii file
gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's completed and
there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I want to move
the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data from data_new
to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move the data from
one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other than walking
through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on the fly...and
then inserting the row into data_live?
>
> BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I
felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If there is
a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. Doing it
this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move it data from
data_old to data_live.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Apr 11 11:37:57 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:37:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
References: <200304111440.h3BEePDf073565@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006701c30040$53d571b0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

With a status field approach you will have to modify all your queries to
filter on the appropriate status.  With staying with a 3 table design you
avoid concerns about mistakenly pulling old data when you are expecting to
pull live data.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!


> You're the second person who suggested this so...if I "design by
consensus" this seems to be the way to go.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kerem Tuzemen <keremtuzemen at hotmail.com>
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:36 am
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
>
> > Hey Jeff
> >
> > Why don't you put all of the data into the same table and add a
> > smallintfield to keep the status of a particular record (i.e.
> > showing which group it
> > belongs)? If needed, you can make it 2 or 3 different fields. That way
> > you'll have just one table and if I'm not missing something, it
> > should work
> > pretty fast compared to your 3 table structure.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> >
> >
> > > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million
> > rows from
> > an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little
> > background on what
> > I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
> > newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > >
> > > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The
> > Ascii file
> > gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's
> > completed and
> > there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I
> > want to move
> > the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data
> > from data_new
> > to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move the
> > data from
> > one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other than
> > walkingthrough data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement
> > on the fly...and
> > then inserting the row into data_live?
> > >
> > > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different
> > tables, I
> > felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
> > simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file.
> > If there is
> > a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii.
> > Doing it
> > this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move it
> > data from
> > data_old to data_live.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
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>



From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Fri Apr 11 11:49:06 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:49:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
In-Reply-To: <200304111534.h3BFYIER077783@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304111534.h3BFYIER077783@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411154901.GA23783@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

A similar suggestion to the one below is to rename the tables to do the move.
The table naming then can remain human readable at any given time.

Andrew

On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 11:34:18AM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> You may want to save time and not move the data around at all.
> 
> The idea would be to have 3 tables all structured the same each named
> uniquely.  Start by loading up table 1, then in the application point the
> data to table1.  When doing the next import, detect that table 1 contains
> the live data so use table2 to import the data.  If the data imports
> correctly, change the app to point to table2, table1 now becomes your old
> data.  Next import table 3 becomes your import, then live, table 2 becomes
> old, table 1 gets emptied ready for next import.  Next import, 1 becomes
> import then live, table 3 becomes old, table 2 gets emptied ready for next
> import.
> 
> Hope you get the idea.
> 
> Jim
> ______________________________________________________________
> Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
> Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
> Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
> Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
> NJ 07646
> ______________________________________________________________
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> 
> 
> > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows from
> an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little background on what
> I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
> newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> >
> > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The Ascii file
> gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's completed and
> there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I want to move
> the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data from data_new
> to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move the data from
> one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other than walking
> through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on the fly...and
> then inserting the row into data_live?
> >
> > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I
> felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which
> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If there is
> a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. Doing it
> this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move it data from
> data_old to data_live.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Digital Pulp, Inc.
212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 12:16:03 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:16:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <4961cf4970b5.4970b54961cf@optonline.net>

I've gotten a lot of great suggestions (thanks so much for the quick response...I hope to get to one of the NYPHP meetings some day) and I definitely *LIKE* the table renaming idea. 

Now...of course...I've got to make a choice as to which method to use!!  :)

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Yochum <andrew at digitalpulp.com>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> A similar suggestion to the one below is to rename the tables to 
> do the move.
> The table naming then can remain human readable at any given time.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 11:34:18AM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> > You may want to save time and not move the data around at all.
> > 
> > The idea would be to have 3 tables all structured the same each 
> named> uniquely.  Start by loading up table 1, then in the 
> application point the
> > data to table1.  When doing the next import, detect that table 1 
> contains> the live data so use table2 to import the data.  If the 
> data imports
> > correctly, change the app to point to table2, table1 now becomes 
> your old
> > data.  Next import table 3 becomes your import, then live, table 
> 2 becomes
> > old, table 1 gets emptied ready for next import.  Next import, 1 
> becomes> import then live, table 3 becomes old, table 2 gets 
> emptied ready for next
> > import.
> > 
> > Hope you get the idea.
> > 
> > Jim
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
> > Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
> > Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
> > Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, 
> New Milford,
> > NJ 07646
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> > 
> > 
> > > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million 
> rows from
> > an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little 
> background on what
> > I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
> > newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > >
> > > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The 
> Ascii file
> > gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> completed and
> > there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I 
> want to move
> > the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data 
> from data_new
> > to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move 
> the data from
> > one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other 
> than walking
> > through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on 
> the fly...and
> > then inserting the row into data_live?
> > >
> > > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> tables, I
> > felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system 
> which> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii 
> file. If there is
> > a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. 
> Doing it
> > this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move 
> it data from
> > data_old to data_live.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Yochum
> Digital Pulp, Inc.
> 212.679.0676x255
> andrew at digitalpulp.com
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Apr 11 12:19:22 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:19:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
References: <200304111616.h3BGFwDf081377@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00a101c30046$1d36d7b0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

One word of warning for the table renaming, it relies on specifics of the
SQL Server in use, ie. mySQL.  This would mean that If you were to change
out your DB Server in the future, you are not assured that your app will
still work without tweaks.  If no plans are to ever change the SQL Server
then the renameing is probably the simplies solution.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!


> I've gotten a lot of great suggestions (thanks so much for the quick
response...I hope to get to one of the NYPHP meetings some day) and I
definitely *LIKE* the table renaming idea.
>
> Now...of course...I've got to make a choice as to which method to use!!
:)
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Yochum <andrew at digitalpulp.com>
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:46 am
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
>
> > A similar suggestion to the one below is to rename the tables to
> > do the move.
> > The table naming then can remain human readable at any given time.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 11:34:18AM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> > > You may want to save time and not move the data around at all.
> > >
> > > The idea would be to have 3 tables all structured the same each
> > named> uniquely.  Start by loading up table 1, then in the
> > application point the
> > > data to table1.  When doing the next import, detect that table 1
> > contains> the live data so use table2 to import the data.  If the
> > data imports
> > > correctly, change the app to point to table2, table1 now becomes
> > your old
> > > data.  Next import table 3 becomes your import, then live, table
> > 2 becomes
> > > old, table 1 gets emptied ready for next import.  Next import, 1
> > becomes> import then live, table 3 becomes old, table 2 gets
> > emptied ready for next
> > > import.
> > >
> > > Hope you get the idea.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
> > > Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
> > > Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
> > > Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave,
> > New Milford,
> > > NJ 07646
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> > > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
> > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> > >
> > >
> > > > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million
> > rows from
> > > an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little
> > background on what
> > > I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
> > > newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > > >
> > > > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The
> > Ascii file
> > > gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's
> > completed and
> > > there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I
> > want to move
> > > the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data
> > from data_new
> > > to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move
> > the data from
> > > one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other
> > than walking
> > > through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on
> > the fly...and
> > > then inserting the row into data_live?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different
> > tables, I
> > > felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system
> > which> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii
> > file. If there is
> > > a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii.
> > Doing it
> > > this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move
> > it data from
> > > data_old to data_live.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Yochum
> > Digital Pulp, Inc.
> > 212.679.0676x255
> > andrew at digitalpulp.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 12:21:21 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:21:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <4b830c4ba1de.4ba1de4b830c@optonline.net>

Did a quick search and noticed the following concerning table renaming:

"The rename is done atomically, which means that no other thread can access any of the tables while the rename is running." (from MySQL online docs.)

Correct me if I'm wrong but this would mean that website visitors would not be able to query the database during this operation. Is that correct?

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Yochum <andrew at digitalpulp.com>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> A similar suggestion to the one below is to rename the tables to 
> do the move.
> The table naming then can remain human readable at any given time.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 11:34:18AM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> > You may want to save time and not move the data around at all.
> > 
> > The idea would be to have 3 tables all structured the same each 
> named> uniquely.  Start by loading up table 1, then in the 
> application point the
> > data to table1.  When doing the next import, detect that table 1 
> contains> the live data so use table2 to import the data.  If the 
> data imports
> > correctly, change the app to point to table2, table1 now becomes 
> your old
> > data.  Next import table 3 becomes your import, then live, table 
> 2 becomes
> > old, table 1 gets emptied ready for next import.  Next import, 1 
> becomes> import then live, table 3 becomes old, table 2 gets 
> emptied ready for next
> > import.
> > 
> > Hope you get the idea.
> > 
> > Jim
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
> > Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
> > Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
> > Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, 
> New Milford,
> > NJ 07646
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:24 AM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
> > 
> > 
> > > You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million 
> rows from
> > an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little 
> background on what
> > I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind I'm a Php/MySQL
> > newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
> > >
> > > I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The 
> Ascii file
> > gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> completed and
> > there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii file), I 
> want to move
> > the data from data_live to data_old and then move the new data 
> from data_new
> > to data_live. So...the question...is there a fast way to move 
> the data from
> > one MySQL table to another (from data_new to data_live) other 
> than walking
> > through data_new row by row...creating an Insert statement on 
> the fly...and
> > then inserting the row into data_live?
> > >
> > > BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different 
> tables, I
> > felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system 
> which> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii 
> file. If there is
> > a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the Ascii. 
> Doing it
> > this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I would move 
> it data from
> > data_old to data_live.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Yochum
> Digital Pulp, Inc.
> 212.679.0676x255
> andrew at digitalpulp.com
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From melissa at inexact.info  Fri Apr 11 12:11:14 2003
From: melissa at inexact.info (Melissa Pott)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:11:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
In-Reply-To: <200304111424.h3BEO9H7067435@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304111424.h3BEO9H7067435@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1050078082.10708928@s5.dngr.org>

How about just renaming the tables?  All the references to the tables 
stay the same, and you just have to add the instruction to juggle the 
table names.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:59AM -0500, jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> You read the subject line correctly!!! I'm loading 2.5 million rows 
> from an ASCII file into a MySQL database. So...here's a little 
> background on what I've done and then a question. (Please keep in mind 
> I'm a Php/MySQL newbie...though I'm learnin' fast!!)
>
> I created three tables - data_new, data_old, data_live. The Ascii file 
> gets read, line by line, and inserted into data_new. When it's 
> completed and there are no glitches (i.e., no problem with the Ascii 
> file), I want to move the data from data_live to data_old and then move 
> the new data from data_new to data_live. So...the question...is there a 
> fast way to move the data from one MySQL table to another (from 
> data_new to data_live) other than walking through data_new row by 
> row...creating an Insert statement on the fly...and then inserting the 
> row into data_live?
>
> BTW, in case you are wondering why there are three different tables, I 
> felt that this was a better way  than my client's present system which 
> simply wipes out the live data and then reads in the Ascii file. If 
> there is a glitch then they have to empty the table and reload the 
> Ascii. Doing it this way, if they need to go back to the old data, I 
> would move it data from data_old to data_live.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
--melissa



From jmusil at villagevoice.com  Fri Apr 11 13:17:56 2003
From: jmusil at villagevoice.com (Jim Musil)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:17:56 -0400
Subject: Adding to PHP API
Message-ID: <BABC7104.FC53%jmusil@villagevoice.com>


What's involved with writing some of my functions in C and plugging them
into the PHP API?

Once they are plugged-in do I have to recompile PHP?

Do I have to restart Apache every time I make a change?

What kind of speed bonus can I expect?

Links? Stories? Wisdom?

Thanks!


-- 
James Musil
Senior Developer
Village Voice Media
36 Cooper Square
New York, NY  10003
(212) 475-3300 ext 14003
JMusil at villagevoice.com



From alexander_chan at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 11 13:42:24 2003
From: alexander_chan at yahoo.com (Alexander Chan)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPCon Exhibitors
In-Reply-To: <200304111344.h3BDhbN7065956@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411174224.35656.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com>

I can handle setup hours and Exhibit hours on
thursday.
alex
--- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> New York PHP is in need of one or two more
> exhibitors for PHPCon 2003.  The
> badge would give you access to both Opening and
> Closing keynote addresses,
> all evening sessions (after 6 pm on Thursday), and
> all social events.
> 
> The needed times are:
> 
> Set Up and Clean Up:
> Display space set up: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 2
> pm to 6 pm
> Display space clean up: Friday, April 25, 2003 - 5
> pm to 8 pm
> 
> Exhibit hours:
> Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 9 am to 6 pm
> Friday, April 25, 2003 - 9 am to 5 pm
> 
> Evening Sessions:
> Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 6 pm to 9 pm
> 
> 
> We currently have spotty coverage, so someone who
> could dedicate at least one
> or two full days would be great.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From Mark at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 11 14:07:51 2003
From: Mark at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:07:51 -0400
Subject: Advanced Search Techniques
Message-ID: <003101c30055$4af9c950$e1951d18@enobrev>

I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
reference guide. 
 
Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
which google agreed with).
 
Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
know where to look?
 
Thanks!!
 
Mark
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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 11 14:21:18 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:21:18 -0400
Subject: Advanced Search Techniques
Message-ID: <003801c30057$287b4d70$e1951d18@enobrev>

I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
reference guide. 
 
Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
which google agreed with).
 
Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
know where to look?
 
Thanks!!
 
Mark
 
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From shiflett at php.net  Fri Apr 11 14:31:56 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
In-Reply-To: <200304111822.h3BILaKV089061@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411183156.28320.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>  
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?

I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can typically be
achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php

Hope that helps.

Chris


From webapprentice at onemain.com  Fri Apr 11 11:56:00 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:56:00 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: Search Engine
Message-ID: <7865569.1050087300820.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi,
Speaking of the search techniques, I have a small client with a static shop-like website who wants search abilities for a CD catalog.  There is no database available, but PHP is operational.

Is there any PHP library or tool that would allow me to search the site without a database?  Some leads would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephen

-------Original Message-------
From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
Sent: 04/11/03 02:31 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques

> 
> --- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>  
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?

I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can
typically be
achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:

<a target=_blank
href="http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php">http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php</a>

Hope that helps.

Chris


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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Fri Apr 11 15:00:25 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:00:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
In-Reply-To: <200304111822.h3BILaLb089061@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111358210.22380-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

If your search terms are in a database you could search with LIKE. Some databases can search for things that sound like something, too.

Josh

On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Mark Armendariz wrote:

> I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
> reference guide. 
>  
> Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>  
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?
>  
> Thanks!!
>  
> Mark
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From brent at landover.com  Fri Apr 11 15:01:38 2003
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:01:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
In-Reply-To: <200304111621.h3BGLFHb082894@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <062BD2F4-6C50-11D7-8866-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>

That is correct, but only for the duration of the rename which take 
only a split second.

On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 12:21 PM, jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:

> Did a quick search and noticed the following concerning table renaming:
>
> "The rename is done atomically, which means that no other thread can 
> access any of the tables while the rename is running." (from MySQL 
> online docs.)
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but this would mean that website visitors 
> would not be able to query the database during this operation. Is that 
> correct?
>
> Jeff
>
-- 
Brent Baisley
Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Apr 11 15:02:04 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:02:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
References: <200304111821.h3BILaDf089061@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00c501c3005c$d7e535a0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

Sounds to me like your looking for fuzzy logic.  The misspellings etc. sound
like phonetic lookups where each word is attempted to be converted into
phonetic tokens then looked up by them with a nearness factor set which may
mean if the phrase breaks into 20 phonetics and a nearness of 80% then if 18
phonetics match return it.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Armendariz" <nyphp at enobrev.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques


> I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
> reference guide.
>
> Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 11 15:06:38 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:06:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
In-Reply-To: <200304111832.h3BIVwFF090394@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004d01c3005d$7e00dc50$e1951d18@enobrev>

I had never heard of this.  Very interesting.. muchos thanks for the
link.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:32 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques

--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>  
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?

I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can
typically be
achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php

Hope that helps.

Chris


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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 11 15:08:44 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:08:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
In-Reply-To: <200304111902.h3BJ29FF094754@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004e01c3005d$c92130e0$e1951d18@enobrev>

Seems about right on.. and definitely worth looking into.  A google on
fuzzy logic gives me a good starting point.  Hopefully I can expand it
all enough to moisten the client..

Thanks a lot to all of you.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hendricks [mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:02 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques

Sounds to me like your looking for fuzzy logic.  The misspellings etc.
sound
like phonetic lookups where each word is attempted to be converted into
phonetic tokens then looked up by them with a nearness factor set which
may
mean if the phrase breaks into 20 phonetics and a nearness of 80% then
if 18
phonetics match return it.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New
Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Armendariz" <nyphp at enobrev.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques


> I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
> reference guide.
>
> Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>



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From patrick.fee at baesystems.com  Fri Apr 11 15:20:51 2003
From: patrick.fee at baesystems.com (Fee, Patrick J)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:20:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
Message-ID: <E7F20B466062D511973800508B6DBC6C0586BCE0@MDRCI-C02-EXCH>

First, there is a free option (depending on the number of total pages) that
I've used before.  That would be Atomz.com's "Atomz Search"
(http://www.atomz.com/search/.

I've utilized their services before for small to medium sites.  You set up
the search pages with your CSS and/or background, tell the spider at Atomz
what to catalog at your site, how often to do it, and then let it work
auto-majicly.  There is an Atomz ad when your results come up... but it's a
great solution if you don't have a lot of time or $$ and a smaller site.

Second, you might look into a Verity Search solution using PHP.  Verity uses
a series of flat files for it's "collection", so mySql would not be
necessary.
(I could give you more info on that if you'd like).

Third, Check out the resources available on SearchEngineWatch.com:
http://www.searchenginewatch.com/resources/article.php/2156591

This is a great resources for what you are trying to do....


Hope that helps,


Patrick J. Fee
Web & Database Group Manager
BAE SYSTEMS
600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
Washington D.C. 20024
Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
Tel: (202) 548-3759
Fax: (202) 608-5970



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Tang [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:55 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine


Hi,
Speaking of the search techniques, I have a small client with a static
shop-like website who wants search abilities for a CD catalog.  There is no
database available, but PHP is operational.

Is there any PHP library or tool that would allow me to search the site
without a database?  Some leads would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephen

-------Original Message-------
From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
Sent: 04/11/03 02:31 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques

> 
> --- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>  
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?

I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can
typically be
achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:

<a target=_blank
href="http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php">http://www.php.
net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php</a>

Hope that helps.

Chris


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> 


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From ifarfan at netzero.com  Fri Apr 11 15:20:51 2003
From: ifarfan at netzero.com (ifarfan at netzero.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:20:51 GMT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
Message-ID: <20030411.152106.2222.5605@webmail17.nyc.untd.com>

Hi,

Not sure if this helps (this is my first post!) but you may want to look at the SOUNDEX function in MySQL (All major DB vendors provide it, too). Here's a link:

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/String_functions.html

The soundex listing reads:
SOUNDEX(str)
    Returns a soundex string from str. Two strings that sound almost the same should have identical soundex strings. A standard soundex string is 4 characters long, but the SOUNDEX() function returns an arbitrarily long string. You can use SUBSTRING() on the result to get a standard soundex string. All non-alphanumeric characters are ignored in the given string. All international alpha characters outside the A-Z range are treated as vowels:

mysql> SELECT SOUNDEX('Hello');
        -> 'H400'
mysql> SELECT SOUNDEX('Quadratically');
        -> 'Q36324'

MS-SQL also has a DIFFERENCE function that compares the difference of the SOUNDEX pattern results between 2 strings.

-- Using DIFFERENCE
SELECT DIFFERENCE('Smithers', 'Smythers')
-- The difference returned is 4 (lowest possible difference).


Hope this helps...

Cheers,

Israel F.




> I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
> reference guide. 
 > 
> Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
 > 
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?
>  
> Thanks!!
>  
> Mark






From sterling at bumblebury.com  Fri Apr 11 14:01:08 2003
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: 11 Apr 2003 14:01:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
In-Reply-To: <200304111832.h3BIVwJp090394@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304111832.h3BIVwJp090394@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1050084068.1390.5.camel@hasele>

On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 14:31, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> --- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> > They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> > searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> > which google agreed with).
> >  
> > Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> > and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> > for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> > know where to look?
> 
> I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can typically be
> achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:
> 
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php
> 

Levenshtein is pretty useless in this case.  It'll tell you what words are semantically
equivalent, sure, but it doesn't do spelling correction.  I suggest you take a look 
at using pspell for spell checking.  As for synonyms, you need a pretty large dictionary
for that - take a  look freshmeat.

-Sterling

-- 
"Nothing is particularly hard if you divide it into small jobs." 
    - Henry Ford



From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri Apr 11 15:24:28 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:24:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <200304111855.h3BIt4K5092699@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304111855.h3BIt4K5092699@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E97166C.3030105@psydeshow.org>

I normally help my clients implement some flavor of dedicated Google 
search. Even on the free version they let you brand the results pages 
with a logo and colors.

http://www.google.com/services/index.html
and specifically http://www.google.com/services/free.html

If the content you want to index is already online, it's a quick, simple 
solution.

    chris.


Stephen Tang wrote:

>Hi,
>Speaking of the search techniques, I have a small client with a static shop-like website who wants search abilities for a CD catalog.  There is no database available, but PHP is operational.
>
>Is there any PHP library or tool that would allow me to search the site without a database?  Some leads would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Stephen
>
>  
>




From shiflett at php.net  Fri Apr 11 15:31:37 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <200304111928.h3BJQEKV001875@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411193137.52312.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

This is a another perfect example of why you should not mangle the Reply-To
header. :-)

Chris

--- matt at reconstrukt.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I'll be on vacation from April 12th to the 20th, returning to the office on
> Moday, April 21st.
> 
> This email confirms I've received your message - I'll be sure to get back to
> you when I return.
> 
> Thanks -
> 
> Matt
> 
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 11 15:44:53 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <200304111934.h3BJVhJ1007307@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030411194453.85718.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


Sorry folks.  People really need to be aware how they write their
vacation-responders.

--- Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net> wrote:
> This is a another perfect example of why you should not mangle the Reply-To
> header. :-)

That's arguable, but vacation responders should use the Return-Path anyway.

H

 
> --- matt at reconstrukt.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'll be on vacation from April 12th to the 20th, returning to the office
> on
> > Moday, April 21st.
> > 
> > This email confirms I've received your message - I'll be sure to get back
> to
> > you when I return.
> > 
> > Thanks -
> > 
> > Matt
> > 
> > ***************************
> > Matthew Knight
> > Reconstrukt, LLC
> > P.O. Box 334
> > Larchmont, NY 10538
> > www.reconstrukt.com
> > matt at reconstrukt.com
> > 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From patrick.fee at baesystems.com  Fri Apr 11 15:33:52 2003
From: patrick.fee at baesystems.com (Fee, Patrick J)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:33:52 -0400
Subject: Search Engine
Message-ID: <E7F20B466062D511973800508B6DBC6C0586BCE2@MDRCI-C02-EXCH>

Almost forgot.... Google now has a Web Services approach utilizing XML that
might work for you as well...

Patrick J. Fee
Web & Database Group Manager
BAE SYSTEMS
600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
Washington D.C. 20024
Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
Tel: (202) 548-3759
Fax: (202) 608-5970



-----Original Message-----
From: Fee, Patrick J [mailto:patrick.fee at baesystems.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:22 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine


First, there is a free option (depending on the number of total pages) that
I've used before.  That would be Atomz.com's "Atomz Search"
(http://www.atomz.com/search/.

I've utilized their services before for small to medium sites.  You set up
the search pages with your CSS and/or background, tell the spider at Atomz
what to catalog at your site, how often to do it, and then let it work
auto-majicly.  There is an Atomz ad when your results come up... but it's a
great solution if you don't have a lot of time or $$ and a smaller site.

Second, you might look into a Verity Search solution using PHP.  Verity uses
a series of flat files for it's "collection", so mySql would not be
necessary.
(I could give you more info on that if you'd like).

Third, Check out the resources available on SearchEngineWatch.com:
http://www.searchenginewatch.com/resources/article.php/2156591

This is a great resources for what you are trying to do....


Hope that helps,


Patrick J. Fee
Web & Database Group Manager
BAE SYSTEMS
600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
Washington D.C. 20024
Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
Tel: (202) 548-3759
Fax: (202) 608-5970



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Tang [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:55 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine


Hi,
Speaking of the search techniques, I have a small client with a static
shop-like website who wants search abilities for a CD catalog.  There is no
database available, but PHP is operational.

Is there any PHP library or tool that would allow me to search the site
without a database?  Some leads would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephen

-------Original Message-------
From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
Sent: 04/11/03 02:31 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques

> 
> --- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>  
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?

I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can
typically be
achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:

<a target=_blank
href="http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php">http://www.php.
net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php</a>

Hope that helps.

Chris


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From matt at reconstrukt.com  Fri Apr 11 15:29:16 2003
From: matt at reconstrukt.com (matt at reconstrukt.com)
Date: 11 Apr 2003 19:29:16 -0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
Message-ID: <20030411192916.1169.qmail@blueboxinternet.com>

Hello,
I'll be on vacation from April 12th to the 20th, returning to the office on Moday, April 21st.

This email confirms I've received your message - I'll be sure to get back to you when I return.

Thanks -

Matt

***************************
Matthew Knight
Reconstrukt, LLC
P.O. Box 334
Larchmont, NY 10538
www.reconstrukt.com
matt at reconstrukt.com
24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700




From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 16:26:20 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:26:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!
Message-ID: <3125873127ba.3127ba312587@optonline.net>

Hmmm...sounds like a solution.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Baisley <brent at landover.com>
Date: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL & 2.5 million rows!

> That is correct, but only for the duration of the rename which 
> take 
> only a split second.
> 
> On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 12:21 PM, jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> 
> > Did a quick search and noticed the following concerning table 
> renaming:>
> > "The rename is done atomically, which means that no other thread 
> can 
> > access any of the tables while the rename is running." (from 
> MySQL 
> > online docs.)
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong but this would mean that website 
> visitors 
> > would not be able to query the database during this operation. 
> Is that 
> > correct?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> -- 
> Brent Baisley
> Systems Architect
> Landover Associates, Inc.
> Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
> p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 11 16:51:52 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:51:52 -0400
Subject: Thank You!
Message-ID: <4a147149ffe3.49ffe34a1471@optonline.net>

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions.

Jeff





From webapprentice at onemain.com  Fri Apr 11 18:27:06 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:27:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <200304111922.h3BJLlJJ097446@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304111922.h3BJLlJJ097446@parsec.nyphp.org>
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Thanks to all for the suggestions.

Patrick Fee,
What is this Verity Search you speak of?

The client has a CD catalog.  The client will soon have over 300 CDs for 
sale, and would like customers to be able to search the site to find 
this catalog information.
The business doesn't not have a lot of money (even $200 is a stretch 
right now), so I need something low-cost.  I'm helping this client as a 
personal favor, so I'm using what PHP knowledge I've acquired to help 
strengthen my understanding.

Thanks,
Stephen


Fee, Patrick J wrote:

>First, there is a free option (depending on the number of total pages) that
>I've used before.  That would be Atomz.com's "Atomz Search"
>(http://www.atomz.com/search/.
>
>I've utilized their services before for small to medium sites.  You set up
>the search pages with your CSS and/or background, tell the spider at Atomz
>what to catalog at your site, how often to do it, and then let it work
>auto-majicly.  There is an Atomz ad when your results come up... but it's a
>great solution if you don't have a lot of time or $$ and a smaller site.
>
>Second, you might look into a Verity Search solution using PHP.  Verity uses
>a series of flat files for it's "collection", so mySql would not be
>necessary.
>(I could give you more info on that if you'd like).
>
>Third, Check out the resources available on SearchEngineWatch.com:
>http://www.searchenginewatch.com/resources/article.php/2156591
>
>This is a great resources for what you are trying to do....
>
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>
>Patrick J. Fee
>Web & Database Group Manager
>BAE SYSTEMS
>600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
>Washington D.C. 20024
>Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
>Tel: (202) 548-3759
>Fax: (202) 608-5970
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stephen Tang [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com]
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:55 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
>
>
>Hi,
>Speaking of the search techniques, I have a small client with a static
>shop-like website who wants search abilities for a CD catalog.  There is no
>database available, but PHP is operational.
>
>Is there any PHP library or tool that would allow me to search the site
>without a database?  Some leads would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Stephen
>
>-------Original Message-------
>From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
>Sent: 04/11/03 02:31 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
>
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>
>>--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
>>They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
>>searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
>>which google agreed with).
>> 
>>Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
>>and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
>>for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
>>know where to look?
>>    
>>
>
>I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can
>typically be
>achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:
>
><a target=_blank
>href="http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php">http://www.php.
>net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php</a>
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Chris
>
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From: webpage at ureach.com (Web Page)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:20:12 -0400
Subject: GNUbie // Need help with coding problem
Message-ID: <200304120120.VAA32636@www20.ureach.com>

Hello!

I am trying to learn PHP and attended the "GNUbies" meeting on
Wednesday, April 9th on the "Introduction to PHP".  I am using 

phpNuke for a web site I am working on.  It was suggested that I
post a problem I am having on the NewYorkPHP mailing list.

I would like to get the login boxes to change to Private
Messages when a member logs in.

I attempled to do this at the bottom of the header, under where,
I have "Create an Account" change to "Welcome 
(MemberName)[Logout] after a Member logs into the site.

I have not been able to get it to work.  Please see the phpNuke
v6.0 site located at,
http://members.lycos.co.uk/testmenow/nuke/index.php

The code that would control the present display and change I am
trying to get is in two files.  The "theme.php" and "header.php"
files.

I placed the working "header.php" code back (that is the code on
the site presently) just so the site would look better.

Because I do not know the policy of the mailing list about
attachments, I am placing the code inside of this e-mail below
.
theme.php
header.php (This is the "header.php" code on the site now)
header2.php (What I tried and did not work)

I have also created a login so you can see what I am talking
about.
UserID:  sitetester
Password:  sitetester

If you look at the block titled "User Info" on the top right of
the page, you will see the login boxes have changed into a 

"Private Messages" area after you login.  I just want to get the
login boxes on the top of the page to change into the  the 

"Private Messages" portion  that you see on this block.  I do
not want the rest of the information on the block.  

Thanks in advance for any and all help you can give me.

New Member,

WP
Webbing Along ;):)


===============================================================
THEME.PHP code
-----------------------------------------
<?php

$bgcolor1 = "#ADADAD";
$bgcolor2 = "#ADADAD";
$bgcolor3 = "#D4D4D4";
$bgcolor4 = "#D4D4D4";
$textcolor1 = "#000000";
$textcolor2 = "#000000";

include("themes/subSystem/tables.php");

/************************************************************/
/* Function themeheader()                                   */
/*                                                          */
/* Control the header for your site. You need to define the */
/* BODY tag and in some part of the code call the blocks    */
/* function for left side with: blocks(left);               */
/************************************************************/

function themeheader() {
    global $user, $banners, $sitename, $slogan, $cookie,
$prefix, $name, $dbi;
    cookiedecode($user);
    $username = $cookie[1];
    if ($username == "") {
        $username = "Anonymous";
    }
    echo "<body bgcolor=\\"#ADADAD\\" text=\\"#000000\\"
leftmargin=\\"10\\" topmargin=\\"10\\" marginwidth=\\"10\\" 

marginheight=\\"10\\">";
    if ($banners == 1) {
	include("banners.php");}
	
    $topics_list = "<select name=\\"new_topic\\"
onChange='submit()'>\
";
    $topics_list .= "<option value=\\"\\">All Topics</option>\
";
    $toplist = sql_query("select topicid, topictext from
".$prefix."_topics order by topictext", $dbi);
    while(list($topicid, $topics) = sql_fetch_row($toplist,
$dbi)) {
    if ($topicid==$topic) { $sel = "selected "; }
	$topics_list .= "<option $sel
value=\\"$topicid\\">$topics</option>\
";
	$sel = "";
    }
    if ($username == "Anonymous") {
	$theuser = "  <a
href=\\"modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=new_user\\">Create an
account";
    } else {
	   $theuser = "  <B>Welcome $username!</B> <a 

href=\\"modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=logout\\"><B>[<I>Logout</I>]</B></a>";

    }
	$public_msg = public_message();
    include("themes/subSystem/header.php"); 
    blocks(left); 
    $tmpl_file = "themes/subSystem/left_center.html"; 
    $thefile = implode("", file($tmpl_file)); 
    $thefile = addslashes($thefile); 
    $thefile = "\\$r_file=\\"".$thefile."\\";"; 
    eval($thefile); 
    print $r_file;}

/************************************************************/
/* Function themefooter()                                   */
/*                                                          */
/* Control the footer for your site. You don't need to      */
/* close BODY and HTML tags at the end. In some part call   */
/* the function for right blocks with: blocks(right);       */
/* Also, $index variable need to be global and is used to   */
/* determine if the page your're viewing is the Homepage or */
/* and internal one.                                        */
/************************************************************/

function themefooter() {
    global $index, $foot1, $foot2, $foot3, $foot4, $copyright,
$totaltime, $footer_message;
    if ($index == 1) {
	$tmpl_file = "themes/subSystem/center_right.html";
	$thefile = implode("", file($tmpl_file));
	$thefile = addslashes($thefile);
	$thefile = "\\$r_file=\\"".$thefile."\\";";
	eval($thefile);
	print $r_file;
	blocks(right);
    }	
    $tmpl_file = "themes/subSystem/footer.html";
    $thefile = implode("", file($tmpl_file));
    $thefile = addslashes($thefile);
    $thefile = "\\$r_file=\\"".$thefile."\\";";
    eval($thefile);
    print $r_file;
                echo "<center>\
";
        $footer_message = footmsg();
            echo "</center>\
";
        echo "<center><br><font class=\\"small\\">:: subSystem
phpbb2 style by <a href=\\"http://www.systemcorp.net\\">azure</a>


:: PHP-Nuke theme by <a
href=\\"http://www.nukemods.com\\">www.nukemods.com</a>
::</font></center>";  
	echo "<br>\
";
}

/************************************************************/
/* Function themeindex()                                    */
/*                                                          */
/* This function format the stories on the Homepage         */
/************************************************************/

function themeindex ($aid, $informant, $time, $title, $counter,
$topic, $thetext, $notes, $morelink, $topicname, $topicimage, 

$topictext) {
    global $anonymous, $tipath;
    if ($notes != "") {
	$notes = "<br><br><b>"._NOTE."</b> <i>$notes</i>\
";
    } else {
	$notes = "";
    }
    if ("$aid" == "$informant") {
	$content = "$thetext$notes\
";
    } else {
	if($informant != "") {
	    $content = "<a
href=\\"modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&uname=$informant\\">$informant</a>
";
	} else {
	    $content = "$anonymous ";
	}
	$content .= ""._WRITES." <i>\\"$thetext\\"</i>$notes\
";
    }
    $posted = ""._POSTEDBY." ";
    $posted .= get_author($aid);
    $posted .= " "._ON." $time $timezone ($counter
"._READS.")";
    $tmpl_file = "themes/subSystem/story_home.html";
    $thefile = implode("", file($tmpl_file));
    $thefile = addslashes($thefile);
    $thefile = "\\$r_file=\\"".$thefile."\\";";
    eval($thefile);
    print $r_file;
}

/************************************************************/
/* Function themearticle()                                  */
/*                                                          */
/* This function format the stories on the story page, when */
/* you click on that "Read More..." link in the home        */
/************************************************************/

function themearticle ($aid, $informant, $datetime, $title,
$thetext, $topic, $topicname, $topicimage, $topictext) {
    global $admin, $sid, $tipath;
    $posted = ""._POSTEDON." $datetime "._BY." ";
    $posted .= get_author($aid);
    if ($notes != "") {
	$notes = "<br><br><b>"._NOTE."</b> <i>$notes</i>\
";
    } else {
	$notes = "";
    }
    if ("$aid" == "$informant") {
	$content = "$thetext$notes\
";
    } else {
	if($informant != "") {
	    $content = "<a
href=\\"modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&uname=$informant\\">$informant</a>
";
	} else {
	    $content = "$anonymous ";
	}
	$content .= ""._WRITES." <i>\\"$thetext\\"</i>$notes\
";
    }
    $tmpl_file = "themes/subSystem/story_page.html";
    $thefile = implode("", file($tmpl_file));
    $thefile = addslashes($thefile);
    $thefile = "\\$r_file=\\"".$thefile."\\";";
    eval($thefile);
    print $r_file;
}

/************************************************************/
/* Function themesidebox()                                  */
/*                                                          */
/* Control look of your blocks. Just simple.                */
/************************************************************/

function themesidebox($title, $content) {
    $tmpl_file = "themes/subSystem/blocks.html";
    $thefile = implode("", file($tmpl_file));
    $thefile = addslashes($thefile);
    $thefile = "\\$r_file=\\"".$thefile."\\";";
    eval($thefile);
    print $r_file;
}

?>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HEADER.PHP (CODE ON SITE NOW)
--------------------------------------------------------------
<?
echo ("<script src='themes/subSystem/fade.js'
language='Javascript'></script>");
echo ("<table class='bodyline' width='100%' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0' border='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td align='center' valign='top'>");
echo ("<table width='100%' border='0' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td height='100' bgcolor='#ADADAD'
background='themes/subSystem/images/bg.gif'><a
href='index.php'><img src='themes/subSystem/images/logo.gif'
width='280' height='100'
border='0'></a></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' border='0' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td bgcolor='#ADADAD'><table width='100%' border='0'
cellspacing='0' cellpadding='4'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td width='150' nowrap><font
class='content'>$theuser</font></td>");
echo ("<td nowrap><div align='center'><font
class='content'><B><strong>::</strong> 
<a href='index.php'>[Home]</a> <strong>::</strong>&nbsp;
<a
href='modules.php?name=Downloads'>[Downloads]</a>&nbsp;<strong>::</strong>&nbsp;
<a href='modules.php?name=Your_Account'>[Your
Account]</a>&nbsp;<strong>::</strong>&nbsp;
<a
href='modules.php?name=Forums'>[Forums]</a>&nbsp;<strong>::</strong></font></div></td>");
echo "<td width='150' nowrap><div align='center'><font
class='content'><B><script
type=\\"text/javascript\\">\
";
echo "<!--   // Array ofmonth Names\
";
echo "var monthNames = new Array(
\\"January\\",\\"February\\",\\"March\\",\\"April\\",\\"May\\",\\"June\\",\\"July\\",\\"August\\",\\"September\\",\\"October\\",\\"November\\",\\"De

cember\\");\
";
echo "var now = new Date();\
";
echo "thisYear = now.getYear();\
";
echo "if(thisYear < 1900) {thisYear += 1900}; // corrections if
Y2K display problem\
";
echo "document.write(monthNames[now.getMonth()] + \\" \\" +
now.getDate() + \\", \\" + thisYear);\
";
echo "// -->\
";
echo "</script>\
";
echo ("</B></font></div></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' border='0' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td bgcolor='#ADADAD'><img
src='themes/subSystem/images/7px.gif' width='7'
height='7'></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0'
border='0' align='center'>");
echo ("<tr valign='top'>");
echo ("<td>$public_msg<img
src='themes/NukeNews/images/pixel.gif' width='1' height='1'
border='0'
alt=''></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("");
echo ("<TR bgcolor='#ADADAD'><TD colspan='3'>");
echo ("<table cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%'
border='0' align='center'
bgcolor='$bgcolor2'><tr>");
echo ("<form action='modules.php?name=Your_Account'
method='post'>");
echo ("<TD width='35%'><b>NICKNAME </b><input type='text'
name='uname' size='10' maxlength='25'>");
echo ("<b>PASSWORD</b> <input type='password' name='pass'
size='10' maxlength='20'>");
echo ("<input type='hidden' name='op' value='login'><input
type='submit' value='LOGIN'>");
echo ("</td>");
echo ("</form>");
echo ("<td width='30%' align='center'><FONT
class='title'><B>$slogan</FONT></B></td>");
echo ("<form action='modules.php?name=Search' method='post'>");
echo ("<td width='35%' align='right'>");
echo ("<font class='content'><b>Search</b> <input type='text'
size='15' name='query'>");
echo ("<b>in</b>  $topics_list</font>");
echo ("</select>");
echo ("</td></tr>");
echo ("</form>");
echo ("");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("</td></tr>");
echo ("");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0'
border='0' align='center'>");
echo ("<tr valign='top'>");
echo ("<td valign='top' width='1'
background='themes/subSystem/images/7px.gif'>");
?>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HEADER2.PHP (What I tried but did not work)
----------------------------------------------------------
<?
echo ("<script src='themes/subSystem/fade.js'
language='Javascript'></script>");
echo ("<table class='bodyline' width='100%' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0' border='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td align='center' valign='top'>");
echo ("<table width='100%' border='0' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td height='100' bgcolor='#ADADAD'
background='themes/subSystem/images/bg.gif'><a
href='index.php'><img src='themes/subSystem/images/logo.gif'
width='280' height='100'
border='0'></a></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' border='0' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td bgcolor='#ADADAD'><table width='100%' border='0'
cellspacing='0' cellpadding='4'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td width='150' nowrap><font
class='content'>$theuser</font></td>");
echo ("<td nowrap><div align='center'><font
class='content'><B><strong>::</strong> 
<a href='index.php'>[Home]</a> <strong>::</strong>&nbsp;
<a
href='modules.php?name=Downloads'>[Downloads]</a>&nbsp;<strong>::</strong>&nbsp;
<a href='modules.php?name=Your_Account'>[Your
Account]</a>&nbsp;<strong>::</strong>&nbsp;
<a
href='modules.php?name=Forums'>[Forums]</a>&nbsp;<strong>::</strong></font></div></td>");
echo "<td width='150' nowrap><div align='center'><font
class='content'><B><script
type=\\"text/javascript\\">\
";
echo "<!--   // Array ofmonth Names\
";
echo "var monthNames = new Array(
\\"January\\",\\"February\\",\\"March\\",\\"April\\",\\"May\\",\\"June\\",\\"July\\",\\"August\\",\\"September\\",\\"October\\",\\"November\\",\\"De

cember\\");\
";
echo "var now = new Date();\
";
echo "thisYear = now.getYear();\
";
echo "if(thisYear < 1900) {thisYear += 1900}; // corrections if
Y2K display problem\
";
echo "document.write(monthNames[now.getMonth()] + \\" \\" +
now.getDate() + \\", \\" + thisYear);\
";
echo "// -->\
";
echo "</script>\
";
echo ("</B></font></div></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' border='0' cellspacing='0'
cellpadding='0'>");
echo ("<tr>");
echo ("<td bgcolor='#ADADAD'><img
src='themes/subSystem/images/7px.gif' width='7'
height='7'></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0'
border='0' align='center'>");
echo ("<tr valign='top'>");
echo ("<td>$public_msg<img
src='themes/NukeNews/images/pixel.gif' width='1' height='1'
border='0'
alt=''></td>");
echo ("</tr>");
echo ("");
echo ("<TR bgcolor='#ADADAD'><TD colspan='3'>");
echo ("<table cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%'
border='0' align='center'
bgcolor='$bgcolor2'><tr>");

$content .= "<form action=\\"modules.php?name=Your_Account\\"
method=\\"post\\">";

if (is_user($user)) {
    $content .= "<br><img src=\\"images/blocks/group-4.gif\\"
height=\\"14\\" width=\\"17\\"> "._BWEL.", 

<b>$username</b>.<br>\
<hr>\
";
    $result = sql_query("select uid from $user_prefix"._users."
where uname='$username'", $dbi);
    list($uid) = sql_fetch_row($result, $dbi);
    $result2 = sql_query("select to_userid from
$prefix"._priv_msgs." where to_userid='$uid' and read_msg='0'",
$dbi);
    $newpms = sql_num_rows($result2, $dbi);
    $result3 = sql_query("select to_userid from
$prefix"._priv_msgs." where to_userid='$uid' and read_msg='1'",
$dbi);
    $oldpms = sql_num_rows($result3, $dbi);
    $content .= "<img src=\\"images/blocks/email-y.gif\\"
height=\\"10\\" width=\\"14\\"> <a 

href=\\"modules.php?name=Private_Messages\\"><b>"._BPM."</b></a><br>\
";
    $content .= "<img src=\\"images/blocks/email-r.gif\\"
height=\\"10\\" width=\\"14\\"> "._BUNREAD.":
<b>$newpms</b><br>\
";
    $content .= "<img src=\\"images/blocks/email-g.gif\\"
height=\\"10\\" width=\\"14\\"> "._BREAD.":
<b>$oldpms</b><br>\
<hr>\
";
} else {
    $content .= "<img src=\\"images/blocks/group-4.gif\\"
height=\\"14\\" width=\\"17\\"> "._BWEL.",
<b>$anonymous</b>\
<hr>";
    $content .= ""._NICKNAME." <input type=\\"text\\"
name=\\"uname\\" size=\\"10\\" maxlength=\\"25\\"><br>";
    $content .= ""._PASSWORD." <input type=\\"password\\"
name=\\"pass\\" size=\\"10\\" maxlength=\\"20\\"><br>";
    $content .= "<input type=\\"hidden\\" name=\\"op\\"
value=\\"login\\">";
    $content .= "<input type=\\"submit\\" value=\\""._LOGIN."\\">\

(<a 

href=\\"modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=new_user\\">"._BREG."</a>)<hr>";
}
$content .= "</form>";

echo ("<form action='modules.php?name=Your_Account'
method='post'>");
echo ("<TD width='35%'><b>NICKNAME </b><input type='text'
name='uname' size='10' maxlength='25'>");
echo ("<b>PASSWORD</b> <input type='password' name='pass'
size='10' maxlength='20'>");
echo ("<input type='hidden' name='op' value='login'><input
type='submit' value='LOGIN'>");
echo ("</td>");
echo ("</form>");
echo ("<td width='30%' align='center'><FONT
class='title'><B>$slogan</FONT></B></td>");
echo ("<form action='modules.php?name=Search' method='post'>");
echo ("<td width='35%' align='right'>");
echo ("<font class='content'><b>Search</b> <input type='text'
size='15' name='query'>");
echo ("<b>in</b>  $topics_list</font>");
echo ("</select>");
echo ("</td></tr>");
echo ("</form>");
echo ("");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("</td></tr>");
echo ("");
echo ("</table>");
echo ("<table width='100%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0'
border='0' align='center'>");
echo ("<tr valign='top'>");
echo ("<td valign='top' width='1'
background='themes/subSystem/images/7px.gif'>");
?>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Apr 11 21:27:51 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:27:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <200304111930.h3BJSMJx004065@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304111930.h3BJSMJx004065@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304112127.51453.brian@preston-campbell.com>

Have a nice time!  I get to delete all of these d at mn messages...



On Friday 11 April 2003 03:28 pm, matt at reconstrukt.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I'll be on vacation from April 12th to the 20th, returning to the
> office on Moday, April 21st.
>
> This email confirms I've received your message - I'll be sure to
> get back to you when I return.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Matt
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
>
>
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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Apr 11 21:29:07 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:29:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] no more E mail
In-Reply-To: <200304112358.h3BNvn0V019323@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304112358.h3BNvn0V019323@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304112129.07840.brian@preston-campbell.com>

OK.

On Friday 11 April 2003 07:57 pm, Gutsguth at aol.com wrote:
> I have received 67 E mail messages from your org. in one day.
> Please do not send any more to me..
> gutsguth at aol.com
>
>
>
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Sat Apr 12 01:53:16 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 01:53:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] removing and copying files with wildcards on free
 bsd
In-Reply-To: <200304120446.h3C4ji0b026430@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304120446.h3C4ji0b026430@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E97A9CC.50802@psydeshow.org>

Peter Lehrer wrote:

>Is there a way in free bsd to rename or copy a whole group of files using
>wildcards. For instance, i've been trying
>
>mv *.htm *.php
>
>or
>
>mv sld???.htm sld???.php
>
Maybe a Unix guru will correct me, in which case I shall be happy to 
learn, but I don't think there are any standard commands that do this. 
There are, however, a number of shell scripts out there that do.

mvgp/cpgp: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mvgpcpgp/

ren: http://freshmeat.net/projects/ren/

>but have been unable to do it in free bsd. I know it works in dos.
>  
>
Yeah, that's frustrating. I feel the same way every time I try to pipe 
commands together in DOS. :-)

    chris.

-- 
do you have a photoblog yet?
http://fotola.com  (help beta-test!)




From jackson at identitymap.com  Sat Apr 12 10:19:54 2003
From: jackson at identitymap.com (Jackson Maio)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 10:19:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPCon Exhibitors
In-Reply-To: <200304111344.h3BDhbGt065956@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BABD98CA.81B%jackson@identitymap.com>

I can help whole day Friday 25th.

Jackson

on 4/11/03 9:43 AM, Hans Zaunere at hans at nyphp.org wrote:

> 
> Good morning,
> 
> New York PHP is in need of one or two more exhibitors for PHPCon 2003.  The
> badge would give you access to both Opening and Closing keynote addresses,
> all evening sessions (after 6 pm on Thursday), and all social events.
> 
> The needed times are:
> 
> Set Up and Clean Up:
> Display space set up: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 2 pm to 6 pm
> Display space clean up: Friday, April 25, 2003 - 5 pm to 8 pm
> 
> Exhibit hours:
> Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 9 am to 6 pm
> Friday, April 25, 2003 - 9 am to 5 pm
> 
> Evening Sessions:
> Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 6 pm to 9 pm
> 
> 
> We currently have spotty coverage, so someone who could dedicate at least one
> or two full days would be great.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From pl at eskimo.com  Sun Apr 13 16:09:37 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:09:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPCon Exhibitors
References: <200304111343.h3BDhbFJ065956@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002d01c301f8$a3bb8ac0$892c0242@default>

I can help for set up on Wed, April 23 and can help man both all day
thursday.

--Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:43 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPCon Exhibitors


>
> Good morning,
>
> New York PHP is in need of one or two more exhibitors for PHPCon 2003.
The
> badge would give you access to both Opening and Closing keynote addresses,
> all evening sessions (after 6 pm on Thursday), and all social events.
>
> The needed times are:
>
> Set Up and Clean Up:
> Display space set up: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 2 pm to 6 pm
> Display space clean up: Friday, April 25, 2003 - 5 pm to 8 pm
>
> Exhibit hours:
> Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 9 am to 6 pm
> Friday, April 25, 2003 - 9 am to 5 pm
>
> Evening Sessions:
> Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 6 pm to 9 pm
>
>
> We currently have spotty coverage, so someone who could dedicate at least
one
> or two full days would be great.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Mon Apr 14 00:22:27 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:22:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RTML -- yahoo store tools
Message-ID: <200304140422.h3E4MSae006499@gw00.com>

LY et. al.,

	I have had to work with RTML for Yahoo! store, since
our company's business practically runs on Yahoo! stores (for
better or for worse).  I have written a bunch of PHP/cURL tools
for replicating a Yahoo! store in a local MySQL database, which
allows for much quicker and easier editing, as well as the
ability to do a lot of global changes which would be next-to-
impossible with the Y! store editors.

	(For example, on Friday we had to replace all of
our chocolate accessories with fudge, since fudge doesn't
melt in shipping during warmer months.  We did this in about
two minutes with a few MySQL queries, and then uploaded
this data back to Yahoo! in a background process.  The same
process with just the Yahoo! editor would have taken
several labor-intensive hours and would have been error-prone.)

	There is one *book* on RTML which I'm trying to get back
from a former employee who "borrowed" it.  It is rumored to be
better than any of those unofficial and incomplete online
documentations.  Hopefully I'll see it in the next few days,
so I could give you a better comment then.  Our only other
documentation was a photocopied Word (or PDF?) document which
I could find out more on tomorrow as well if you want.  It
at least got me "up the ramp" with RTML, but then it left me
there with nowhere else to go except trial, error, and a whole
bunch of unanswered questions.  (RTML is, oddly enough, *not*
supported by Yahoo!)

	There is apparently no editor for RTML other than
the annoying click-based HTML online editor.  Each element
and argument must be assembled separately, and you cannot
copy, import, or export templates into, out of, or between
Yahoo! storefronts.  There is one company, however, which I
found easily from Google, which sells a Windows-based RTML
Template Editor, which allows you to do these things, in a
somewhat less cumbersome manner.  However, its interface
with Yahoo! is the same as the human's; i.e. apparently
the software must click through all of those annoying element
edits... so uploading templates is not exactly an "atomic
operation."  Also, I believe their software is charged by
the number of templates you want to ever upload... i.e. you
have to keep "refilling" this software!

	Feel free to email me for more info on any of these
sub-topics, or to chat about any other RTML stuff.  I would be
interested in hearing your experiences with Y! stores.  Although
all of the tools I've built for Yahoo! store *are* in PHP,
(un?)-fortunately, RTML and other non-PHP-related Yahoo! topics
are probably outside the interests of this group....


Best, George.

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com
(802) 985-1384


From bruce at mtiglobal.com  Sun Apr 13 10:34:51 2003
From: bruce at mtiglobal.com (bruce at mtiglobal.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:34:51 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
In-Reply-To: <200304112225.h3BMOCx1017397@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304112225.h3BMOCx1017397@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <7304.65.112.109.66.1050244491.squirrel@postman.mtiglobal.com>

How will the user be searching for the CD and what is the layout of the
static pages?

Do you ask the user to enter the genre (rock, jazz, rap, etc.), band name,
or album name?

Is the layout by genre, band name, album name, or other?

For an on-search site, you really need some type of database unless you
only have a few pages such that for example you have a page for rock CD's
another one for jazz CD's etc., and the user is confined to this type of
search.

If you have a non-restricted search with 300 pages and the user can put in
genre, band name, album name, all or some, etc., then you would really
need to have a database where you could query by the various fields and
spit out the links to the query results.

Hope this helps.

- Bruce

> Thanks to all for the suggestions.
>
> Patrick Fee,
> What is this Verity Search you speak of?
>
> The client has a CD catalog.  The client will soon have over 300 CDs for
>  sale, and would like customers to be able to search the site to find
> this catalog information.
> The business doesn't not have a lot of money (even $200 is a stretch
> right now), so I need something low-cost.  I'm helping this client as a
> personal favor, so I'm using what PHP knowledge I've acquired to help
> strengthen my understanding.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
>
> Fee, Patrick J wrote:
>
>>First, there is a free option (depending on the number of total pages)
>> that I've used before.  That would be Atomz.com's "Atomz Search"
>>(http://www.atomz.com/search/.
>>
>>I've utilized their services before for small to medium sites.  You set
>> up the search pages with your CSS and/or background, tell the spider at
>> Atomz what to catalog at your site, how often to do it, and then let it
>> work auto-majicly.  There is an Atomz ad when your results come up...
>> but it's a great solution if you don't have a lot of time or $$ and a
>> smaller site.
>>
>>Second, you might look into a Verity Search solution using PHP.  Verity
>> uses a series of flat files for it's "collection", so mySql would not
>> be necessary.
>>(I could give you more info on that if you'd like).
>>
>>Third, Check out the resources available on SearchEngineWatch.com:
>> http://www.searchenginewatch.com/resources/article.php/2156591
>>
>>This is a great resources for what you are trying to do....
>>
>>
>>Hope that helps,
>>
>>
>>Patrick J. Fee
>>Web & Database Group Manager
>>BAE SYSTEMS
>>600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
>>Washington D.C. 20024
>>Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
>>Tel: (202) 548-3759
>>Fax: (202) 608-5970
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stephen Tang [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com]
>>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:55 PM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>Speaking of the search techniques, I have a small client with a static
>> shop-like website who wants search abilities for a CD catalog.  There
>> is no database available, but PHP is operational.
>>
>>Is there any PHP library or tool that would allow me to search the site
>> without a database?  Some leads would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Stephen
>>
>>-------Original Message-------
>>From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
>>Sent: 04/11/03 02:31 PM
>>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
>>
>>
>>
>>>--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
>>>They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
>>> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
>>> which google agreed with).
>>>
>>>Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
>>> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
>>> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
>>> know where to look?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I'm not sure about synonyms, but support for misspelled words can
>> typically be
>>achieved with the Levenshtein algorithm, and PHP supports that:
>>
>><a target=_blank
>>href="http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php">http://www.php.
>> net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php</a>
>>
>>Hope that helps.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
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>>href="http://nyphp.org/list/">http://nyphp.org/list/</a> ---
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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From bruce at mtiglobal.com  Sun Apr 13 10:37:00 2003
From: bruce at mtiglobal.com (bruce at mtiglobal.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:37:00 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine - reply #2
In-Reply-To: <200304112225.h3BMOCx1017397@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304112225.h3BMOCx1017397@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <9365.65.112.109.66.1050244620.squirrel@postman.mtiglobal.com>

this is a continuation of my previous reply that is implicit in what I
wrote but I want to make it more clear.

Although your focus is on the actual search mechanishm, you also need to
look at the user interface design.  This will impact on what needs to be
done on the back end to deliver the desired results.

This will be important to you given the limited budget/resources your
friends have.

- Bruce




From webapprentice at onemain.com  Mon Apr 14 07:42:52 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:42:52 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine - reply #2
Message-ID: <4516860.1050331309232.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your input.

I agree with you on a need for a database-backed search engine hosted on at my client's site with searchable fields the way you describe.  But, between the infancy of the business (i.e. low funds) and my lack of technical know-how at the moment (i.e. learning as I go), such an implementation would appear too costly at the moment.

I think a general site search is fine.  On the suggestion of Chris and Patrick here on the list, I followed a link to Search Watch and Google.

It looks like my client is ok with Google's free SiteSearch.
My client just wants a basic way of search the domain.
I'll have to manage expectations if my client wants more. :)

Thanks for your input.

--Stephen


-------Original Message-------
From: bruce at mtiglobal.com
Sent: 04/14/03 10:25 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Re: Search Engine - reply #2

> 
> this is a continuation of my previous reply that is implicit in what I
wrote but I want to make it more clear.

Although your focus is on the actual search mechanishm, you also need to
look at the user interface design.  This will impact on what needs to be
done on the back end to deliver the desired results.

This will be important to you given the limited budget/resources your
friends have.

- Bruce




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> 


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Apr 14 16:18:22 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:18:22 -0400
Subject: A Thank You To All!!
Message-ID: <4fb96650174d.50174d4fb966@optonline.net>

Just wanted to say "THANK YOU" for all the suggestions that were provided when I asked about the best way to deal with 2.5 million rows of data. The solution I decided on, and which works quite nicely, was to simply rename (and drop) tables as needed. This allows me to have the latest data and a copy of the previous version of the data. In addition, I can just switch table names if I need to go back.

Thanks so much for the GREAT response. 

Jeff




From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Apr 14 17:01:50 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Adding to PHP API
In-Reply-To: <200304111718.h3BHICJ1085822@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030414210150.19547.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


Hey Jim,

--- Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com> wrote:
> 
> What's involved with writing some of my functions in C and plugging them
> into the PHP API?

Well obviously this is writing extensions (PECL) and you can generally get a
good start with phpinstallpath/bin/phpize and:

http://us2.php.net/manual/en/zend.php
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/streams.php

> Once they are plugged-in do I have to recompile PHP?

Negative.  You generally compile them as shared objects, then can dl() them.

> Do I have to restart Apache every time I make a change?

Negative (AFAIK).

> What kind of speed bonus can I expect?

Depending on tasks, considerable.  For instance, heavy text parsing or
manipulation can probably get you big boosts.

> Links? Stories? Wisdom?

Ahh, the hardest part.  Finding a nice HOWTO on the subject is impossible
AFAIK (if you find anything, please post it) and I've had the best luck with
the links above, some articles strewn around the net, and probably the best
is looking at other modules (dbg is nice).

Of course, some on this list write extensions day in and day out (look at the
ADT extension).



=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From shiflett at php.net  Mon Apr 14 17:22:38 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Adding to PHP API
In-Reply-To: <200304142102.h3EL1u15094855@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030414212238.81342.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> Ahh, the hardest part.  Finding a nice HOWTO on the subject is impossible
> AFAIK (if you find anything, please post it) and I've had the best luck with
> the links above, some articles strewn around the net, and probably the best
> is looking at other modules (dbg is nice).

I'm not sure of a good HOWTO on the Web either, but I know Rasmus's book
(Programming PHP) has a pretty straightforward explanation (it implements
rot13, so the extension logic itself is as simple as possible).

I also seem to recall Sterling's book, PHP Developer's Cookbook, having a nice
explanation as well. Maybe he can confirm/deny that. :-)

Chris


From mz34 at nyu.edu  Mon Apr 14 18:03:32 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:03:32 -0400
Subject: Installing MySQL 4.0 on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200205221916.g4MJG0p33508@slipdisc.virul.net>
Message-ID: <EE810F14-6EC4-11D7-925A-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

Hi,

I am installing MySQL 4.0 on a Mac OSX 10.2.5 server and was having 
some trouble. Wondering if anyone else on here had any luck.

I follow the instructions to installing using the Mac OSX package and 
when I issue the command

./bin/mysqld_safe &

the daemon starts and then stops.

When I check the hostname.err log these errors are listed

InnoDB: Operating System error number 13 in a file operation.
InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to the 
directory.
InnoDB: File named ./ibdata1
InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.

I tried to find the file ./ibdata1 but didn't have any luck. I was 
going to try to change the permissions on it.

I was hoping someone on here had the same problem and new how to fix it.

Matt



From shiflett at php.net  Mon Apr 14 18:30:48 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Installing MySQL 4.0 on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200304142204.h3EM3b15097758@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030414223048.27909.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Matthew Zimmerman <mz34 at nyu.edu> wrote:
> I am installing MySQL 4.0 on a Mac OSX 10.2.5 server and was having 
> some trouble. Wondering if anyone else on here had any luck.
> 
> I follow the instructions to installing using the Mac OSX package and 
> when I issue the command
> 
> /bin/mysqld_safe &
> 
> the daemon starts and then stops.

This may be a shot in the dark, but are you executing this as root? If not,
that may be why you have the permission problem. If memory serves correctly,
enabling root access on OS X is deliberately difficult, so you may just want to
use sudo to execute that.

Also, thanks for mentioning mysqld_safe. I haven't kept up with MySQL 4, so I
didn't realize they switched the name around. :-)

Chris


From ian at plusfour.org  Mon Apr 14 18:45:21 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:45:21 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Installing MySQL 4.0 on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200304142231.h3EMUp0X098781@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <C632A519-6ECA-11D7-9CB5-0050E4858059@plusfour.org>


On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 03:30 PM, Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- Matthew Zimmerman <mz34 at nyu.edu> wrote:
>> I am installing MySQL 4.0 on a Mac OSX 10.2.5 server and was having
>> some trouble. Wondering if anyone else on here had any luck.
>>
>> I follow the instructions to installing using the Mac OSX package and
>> when I issue the command
>>
>> /bin/mysqld_safe &
>>
>> the daemon starts and then stops.
>>

/bin/mysqld_safe --datadir=$datadir --pid-file=$pid_file &

check out 'mysql.server' /usr/local/mysql/support-files/mysql.server

make an entry in /etc/hostconfig

MYSQLSERVER=-YES-

put the following script in /Library/StartupItems/MySQL and name the 
script MySQL

#!/bin/sh

##
# Apache HTTP Server
##

. /etc/rc.common

StartService ()
{
     if [ "${MYSQLSERVER:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then
	ConsoleMessage "Starting MySQL Database server"
	mysql.server start
     fi
}

StopService ()
{
     ConsoleMessage "Stopping MySQL Database server"
     mysql.server stop
}

RestartService ()
{
     if [ "${MYSQLSERVER:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then
	ConsoleMessage "Restarting MySQL Database server"
	mysql.server restart
     else
	StopService
     fi
}

RunService "$1"



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon Apr 14 19:13:27 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:13:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Adding to PHP API
In-Reply-To: <200304142102.h3EL1u27094855@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0304141904230.24874-100000@miranda.org>

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> --- Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com> wrote:
> 
> > Once they are plugged-in do I have to recompile PHP?
> 
> Negative.  You generally compile them as shared objects, then can dl() them.

You are better off not using dl() if possible. It's slower than using
an .ini entry.

http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/php-Dev/715567

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From sterling at bumblebury.com  Mon Apr 14 18:04:31 2003
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: 14 Apr 2003 18:04:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Adding to PHP API
In-Reply-To: <200304142314.h3ENDT0R000936@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304142314.h3ENDT0R000936@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1050357871.2340.127.camel@hasele>

On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 19:13, Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> > --- Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Once they are plugged-in do I have to recompile PHP?
> > 
> > Negative.  You generally compile them as shared objects, then can dl() them.
> 
> You are better off not using dl() if possible. It's slower than using
> an .ini entry.
> 
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/php-Dev/715567
> 

Yeah - but dl is useful for development.  To be honest (I and most core
devs I know), just recompile php as a cli when debugging.  Using dl() is
an afterthought, since you rarely have to do a make clean anyway, it
takes just as much time, and usually requires less futzing (all your
object files are assured to reference the same symbols.)

-Sterling

> -adam
-- 
"A business that makes nothing but money is a poor kind of business." 
    - Henry Ford



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Apr 14 19:31:17 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:31:17 -0400
Subject: Zend studio users?
Message-ID: <4d6a5b4d8666.4d86664d6a5b@optonline.net>

Um...er...are there some Zend studio users out there? I've starting using it and have a few questions I'd like to post.

Jeff



From webpage at ureach.com  Mon Apr 14 19:54:13 2003
From: webpage at ureach.com (Web Page)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:54:13 -0400
Subject: Can anyone help me with this??
Message-ID: <200304142354.TAA07391@www23.ureach.com>

Hello!

I know most of you are way past me on PHP coding and that most
of you are very busy.

Please, if someone could be kind enough to help me with my
problem at the following link, it would be greatly appreciated.
http://newyorkphp.org/content/mailinglist/marchive.php?mesg=YToxOntpOjA7czo0OiI0NDAzIjt9

WP
Webbing Along ;):)


________________________________________________
Get your own "800" number
Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more
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From southwell at dneba.com  Mon Apr 14 19:51:16 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:51:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPCon Exhibitors
In-Reply-To: <200304111343.h3BDhbET065956@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030414195047.00b30cf0@mail.optonline.net>

I would be able to work on Thursday if you still need more people.

At 09:43 AM 4/11/2003, you wrote:

>Good morning,
>
>New York PHP is in need of one or two more exhibitors for PHPCon 2003.  The
>badge would give you access to both Opening and Closing keynote addresses,
>all evening sessions (after 6 pm on Thursday), and all social events.
>
>The needed times are:
>
>Set Up and Clean Up:
>Display space set up: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 2 pm to 6 pm
>Display space clean up: Friday, April 25, 2003 - 5 pm to 8 pm
>
>Exhibit hours:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 9 am to 6 pm
>Friday, April 25, 2003 - 9 am to 5 pm
>
>Evening Sessions:
>Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 6 pm to 9 pm
>
>
>We currently have spotty coverage, so someone who could dedicate at least one
>or two full days would be great.
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>=====
>Hans Zaunere
>President, New York PHP
>http://nyphp.org
>hans at nyphp.org
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---

Michael G. Southwell =================================
DNEBA Enterprises
81 South Road
Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
southwell at dneba.com
http://www.dneba.com
======================================================




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 15 12:19:37 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend studio users?
In-Reply-To: <200304142331.h3ENVAxd002511@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030415161937.61281.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


--- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> Um...er...are there some Zend studio users out there? I've starting using
> it and have a few questions I'd like to post.

I've used it a bit, and know quite a few others that are on the list that do.
 I don't see any problem with posting some questions about it.

H



From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 15 19:45:41 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:45:41 -0400
Subject: Hello, intro
Message-ID: <000c01c303a9$203cd5c0$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Hi,

I am a friend of Peter Saw.  Just signed up for the list and wanted to introduce myself.  Hopefully, I can attend one of your meeting soon.  Well, at least as soon as I am done with my degree in May.

Pinyo
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 15 19:50:01 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:50:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hello, intro
In-Reply-To: <200304152346.h3FNjjxb043925@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030415235001.99656.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Pinyo,

Pleasure meeting you on the list, and I look forward to meeting you in person
sometime soon.

Best,

H


--- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a friend of Peter Saw.  Just signed up for the list and wanted to
> introduce myself.  Hopefully, I can attend one of your meeting soon.  Well,
> at least as soon as I am done with my degree in May.
> 
> Pinyo
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Apr 15 19:53:16 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:53:16 -0400
Subject: Survey questions in new website
Message-ID: <4f18f34efe59.4efe594f18f3@optonline.net>

Some of these items may have already been addressed but...so ignore items that may have already been addressed.

Jeff
==================================

Survey page 1

1. "How did you first heard about PHP"

Should be, "How did you first hear.....

2. "Which platform have you seen used most for PHP development"

"Which platform have you seen PHP deployed to most for mission-critical applications deployment"

The phrasing is a bit awkward and the "intent" of the question may not be obvious to someone completing the survey. It's not obvious why you have the phrase "have you seen" as opposed to just saying "Which platform have you used most for PHP development." 

3. You may want to unpack this question a bit: "Based on your experience, has flexibility and rapid development been leveragable from PHP." I feel that "leveragable" needs further explanation or just rewording (perhaps a phrase describing "leveragable.").

4. Type: "For PHP questions/problems/support, rantk the order of where you go for help "

"rank" is mispelled.

Survey Page 2

1. "When working with clients, how is PHP most often brought onboard" and "When working with clients, what is the existing status of PHP in the majority of cases" could probably be combined into one question since the first question implies the "existing status" which is asked about again in the second question.

2. "Please estimate your non-HTML related PHP code base (Object Oriented % vs Prcedure %)"
Just a typo...should say "Procedural."






From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Apr 15 19:54:42 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:54:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Survey questions in new website
Message-ID: <4f4a884efdde.4efdde4f4a88@optonline.net>

Of course, I misspelled "mispelled."

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net
Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:53 pm
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Survey questions in new website

> Some of these items may have already been addressed but...so 
> ignore items that may have already been addressed.
> 
> Jeff
> ==================================
> 
> Survey page 1
> 
> 1. "How did you first heard about PHP"
> 
> Should be, "How did you first hear.....
> 
> 2. "Which platform have you seen used most for PHP development"
> 
> "Which platform have you seen PHP deployed to most for mission-
> critical applications deployment"
> 
> The phrasing is a bit awkward and the "intent" of the question may 
> not be obvious to someone completing the survey. It's not obvious 
> why you have the phrase "have you seen" as opposed to just saying 
> "Which platform have you used most for PHP development." 
> 
> 3. You may want to unpack this question a bit: "Based on your 
> experience, has flexibility and rapid development been leveragable 
> from PHP." I feel that "leveragable" needs further explanation or 
> just rewording (perhaps a phrase describing "leveragable.").
> 
> 4. Type: "For PHP questions/problems/support, rantk the order of 
> where you go for help "
> 
> "rank" is mispelled.
> 
> Survey Page 2
> 
> 1. "When working with clients, how is PHP most often brought 
> onboard" and "When working with clients, what is the existing 
> status of PHP in the majority of cases" could probably be combined 
> into one question since the first question implies the "existing 
> status" which is asked about again in the second question.
> 
> 2. "Please estimate your non-HTML related PHP code base (Object 
> Oriented % vs Prcedure %)"
> Just a typo...should say "Procedural."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From georgenatalino at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 16 09:22:10 2003
From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (George Natalino)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:22:10 -0400
Subject: Sun Microsystems:  Free Web Services Seminar
Message-ID: <3E9D5902.7060609@yahoo.com>

Requires registration.
================

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From jmusil at villagevoice.com  Wed Apr 16 17:47:16 2003
From: jmusil at villagevoice.com (Jim Musil)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:47:16 -0400
Subject: Utf and latin 1
Message-ID: <BAC347A4.FF2F%jmusil@villagevoice.com>

Hi,

I have two different character encodings on my page. Is there anyway to
convert utf-8 characters into latin1 characters via php?


-- 
James Musil
Senior Developer
Village Voice Media
36 Cooper Square
New York, NY  10003
(212) 475-3300 ext 14003
JMusil at villagevoice.com



From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 18:42:49 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:42:49 -0400
Subject: <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <004301c30469$82984400$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

I'm trying to figure out how I can restrict people to using an <a href> link
to send a request to a script.
To be more specific I don't want them to send requests by submitting a form.
In case they do the script would respond with '401 Unauthorized' header or
something to that effect.  For a while I thought I had a solution.. by
looking for an additional GET var which would reflect the presence of a
'Submit' button, but then I realized that a form may be easily submitted
with JavaScript's submit() method == no additional GET vars.
I know it may seem like I worry too much, but in this project security is
*extremely* important.
I hope someone comes up with some clever idea..  my brain needs a reboot to
maintenance mode for a few hours..

cheers,
Jerry

--
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Utf and latin 1


>Hi,
>
>I have two different character encodings on my page. Is there anyway to
>convert utf-8 characters into latin1 characters via php?
>
>
>--
>James Musil
>Senior Developer
>Village Voice Media
>36 Cooper Square
>New York, NY  10003
>(212) 475-3300 ext 14003
>JMusil at villagevoice.com
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Wed Apr 16 18:58:21 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:58:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <200304162258.h3GMwMZs009656@gw00.com>

Hi Jerry.

	The only way I can see how to do this is something
like the following PHP code:

<?php
if ( $_SERVER['QUERY_STRING'] == '' )
	my_fail_handler();
elseif ( $_SERVER['REQUEST_METHOD'] == 'POST )
	my_fail_handler();

/* Else, continue normally... */
?>

	This will only work if HREFs to your PHP script
don't already have query string arguments.  I.e.,

	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php

will work, but

	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php?foo
	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php?arg=test
	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php?arg=test&arg2=test2

all will be rejected, so I hope that's okay....  Make sense?


Best, George.

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From shiflett at php.net  Wed Apr 16 19:07:10 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304162242.h3GMg415084664@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030416230710.80881.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jerry Kapron <nyphp at newageweb.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out how I can restrict people to using an <a href> link
> to send a request to a script.

You can't really do that. When someone clicks a link, their browser sends an
HTTP GET request. If someone wanted to write their own form that used a method
of "get" and submitted to the same URL, they could reproduce this exact same
request. Of course, they could also just manually send their own GET request,
though that is less convenient.

I'm not sure what sort of security you think is lessened by this fact. If you
are wanting to make sure people can only access a particular page, it is best
to use sessions or something and just make sure that person has access.

If you are particularly concerned that the user clicked your specific link, you
can use something like a shared secret. For example, when you generate the
link, attach a URL variable to it that you also keep on the server (in the
session or something). You can then check to ensure that this URL variable is
correct when determining whether the user can access the page.

Maybe that gives you some ideas. I recommend, however, that you don't concern
yourself with what happens on the client. This can lead to a false sense of
security. It is best to consider each HTTP request as a request that can truly
be anything. Use your own programming logic to determine the rest.

Hope that helps.

Chris


From shiflett at php.net  Wed Apr 16 19:09:35 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304162259.h3GMwQ15085568@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030416230935.64962.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- George Webb <gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com> wrote:
> 	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php
> 
> will work, but
> 
> 	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php?foo
> 	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php?arg=test
> 	http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php?arg=test&arg2=test2

<form action="http://yourserver.com/yourscript.php" method="get">
<input type="submit">
</form>


From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 19:27:39 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:27:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <004401c3046f$c57d25a0$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Gorge,
> The only way I can see how to do this is something
>like the following PHP code:
>
><?php
>if ( $_SERVER['QUERY_STRING'] == '' )
> my_fail_handler();
>elseif ( $_SERVER['REQUEST_METHOD'] == 'POST )
> my_fail_handler();
>
>/* Else, continue normally... */
>?>

This wouldn't really help. The url will have a query string as is. When I
mentioned detecting a GET var reflecting the presence of the 'Submit'
button, it would be an additional GET var to the ones generated by the query
string.

Thanks for your help,
Jerry



From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Wed Apr 16 19:32:48 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <200304162332.h3GNWmJG009714@gw00.com>

Yeah, Chris is right.  A form with no form elements
would not get caught.  What kind of weird situations are
you trying to protect against, anyway, Jerry?


	I'm not sure if this would help, but if you want
to kill all the incoming user params, I think you could
un-set $_REQUEST, $_GET, $_POST, and all those to NULL.
Of course, if you have register_globals ON, you'd have
to unset all your globals individualy.

	We could probably suggest better ideas if you
would explain what your security issues are.


Best, George.

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 16 19:51:23 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:51:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
References: <200304162242.h3GMg4xV084664@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005201c30474$5d388b10$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Hi,

New guy here.  This may help.  I use this too, so if you can point out any
weaknesses, please let me know.

<?php
$host = "www.yoururl.com";
if (!isset($HTTP_REFERRER) || ($HTTP_HOST != $host)) {
    # access denied message
}
?>

You may have to use the long-hand variable call.  Anyway, it basically say
that to load this page the request must come from another page on the same
host.  This way people cannot create form on their site and link to your
pages, nor can they type in the address directly.

Any comment is appreciated.

Thanks,

Pinyo


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Kapron" <nyphp at newageweb.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request


> I'm trying to figure out how I can restrict people to using an <a href>
link
> to send a request to a script.
> To be more specific I don't want them to send requests by submitting a
form.
> In case they do the script would respond with '401 Unauthorized' header or
> something to that effect.  For a while I thought I had a solution.. by
> looking for an additional GET var which would reflect the presence of a
> 'Submit' button, but then I realized that a form may be easily submitted
> with JavaScript's submit() method == no additional GET vars.
> I know it may seem like I worry too much, but in this project security is
> *extremely* important.
> I hope someone comes up with some clever idea..  my brain needs a reboot
to
> maintenance mode for a few hours..
>
> cheers,
> Jerry
>
> --
> 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com>
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:48 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Utf and latin 1
>
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have two different character encodings on my page. Is there anyway to
> >convert utf-8 characters into latin1 characters via php?
> >
> >
> >--
> >James Musil
> >Senior Developer
> >Village Voice Media
> >36 Cooper Square
> >New York, NY  10003
> >(212) 475-3300 ext 14003
> >JMusil at villagevoice.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 20:12:32 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:12:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <004901c30476$0b6498e0$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Chris,

>You can't really do that. When someone clicks a link, their browser sends
an
>HTTP GET request. If someone wanted to write their own form that used a
method
>of "get" and submitted to the same URL, they could reproduce this exact
same
>request. Of course, they could also just manually send their own GET
request,
>though that is less convenient.

I'm aware of all this.

>I'm not sure what sort of security you think is lessened by this fact.

I know this does not make much sense when you don't know what the project
is.  Unfortunately I can not reveal any details at this point. This is a
client's project.  The significant fact is that for a specific reason the
users will want to link to the some scripts by submitting a form instead of
clicking on an <a href> link.  I know there is no difference on the back end
whether the request came from a form or a <a href> link, but it's not really
about the back end. The request needs to come from an <a href> link, period.
I know it sounds weird but trust me there is a very good reason for that.

>If you are wanting to make sure people can only access a particular page,
it is best
>to use sessions or something and just make sure that person has access.
>
>If you are particularly concerned that the user clicked your specific link,
you
>can use something like a shared secret. For example, when you generate the
>link, attach a URL variable to it that you also keep on the server (in the
>session or something). You can then check to ensure that this URL variable
is
>correct when determining whether the user can access the page.

None of these would apply. I forgot to mention that the links will be placed
on third party sites (or rather extranet sites) by other webmasters. In
addition to checking the referer header against a database containing
qualified referer URL's, I also need to make sure that they are not linking
from a form. Again, sounds weird but you need to trust me.

>Maybe that gives you some ideas. I recommend, however, that you don't
concern
>yourself with what happens on the client. This can lead to a false sense of
>security. It is best to consider each HTTP request as a request that can
truly
>be anything. Use your own programming logic to determine the rest.

This usually applies to all my other projects but this one is really
different.


Thank you much for your help .. cheers!

Jerry




From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 20:24:22 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:24:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <005201c30477$b20b2500$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

> I'm not sure if this would help, but if you want
>to kill all the incoming user params, I think you could
>un-set $_REQUEST, $_GET, $_POST, and all those to NULL.
>Of course, if you have register_globals ON, you'd have
>to unset all your globals individualy.

I can't kill them .. I need them :)

> We could probably suggest better ideas if you
>would explain what your security issues are.

Read my reply to Chris.  I explained as much as I could reveal at this time.

Thanks again,
Jerry




From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 16 20:39:34 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:39:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170012.h3H0BlxP092338@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOOEBGCFAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

ok - dunno what I'm talking about, but could you possible append some sort
of hash value to the href - which could only be generated by your script and
not any third party?  Make the key available only to the valid websites in
order for them to generate it - and don't accept anything that does have a
submit.

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Jerry Kapron [mailto:nyphp at newageweb.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:12 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
->
->
-> Chris,
->
-> >You can't really do that. When someone clicks a link, their
-> browser sends
-> an
-> >HTTP GET request. If someone wanted to write their own form that used a
-> method
-> >of "get" and submitted to the same URL, they could reproduce this exact
-> same
-> >request. Of course, they could also just manually send their own GET
-> request,
-> >though that is less convenient.
->
-> I'm aware of all this.
->
-> >I'm not sure what sort of security you think is lessened by this fact.
->
-> I know this does not make much sense when you don't know what the project
-> is.  Unfortunately I can not reveal any details at this point. This is a
-> client's project.  The significant fact is that for a specific reason the
-> users will want to link to the some scripts by submitting a form
-> instead of
-> clicking on an <a href> link.  I know there is no difference on
-> the back end
-> whether the request came from a form or a <a href> link, but
-> it's not really
-> about the back end. The request needs to come from an <a href>
-> link, period.
-> I know it sounds weird but trust me there is a very good reason for that.
->
-> >If you are wanting to make sure people can only access a
-> particular page,
-> it is best
-> >to use sessions or something and just make sure that person has access.
-> >
-> >If you are particularly concerned that the user clicked your
-> specific link,
-> you
-> >can use something like a shared secret. For example, when you
-> generate the
-> >link, attach a URL variable to it that you also keep on the
-> server (in the
-> >session or something). You can then check to ensure that this
-> URL variable
-> is
-> >correct when determining whether the user can access the page.
->
-> None of these would apply. I forgot to mention that the links
-> will be placed
-> on third party sites (or rather extranet sites) by other webmasters. In
-> addition to checking the referer header against a database containing
-> qualified referer URL's, I also need to make sure that they are
-> not linking
-> from a form. Again, sounds weird but you need to trust me.
->
-> >Maybe that gives you some ideas. I recommend, however, that you don't
-> concern
-> >yourself with what happens on the client. This can lead to a
-> false sense of
-> >security. It is best to consider each HTTP request as a request that can
-> truly
-> >be anything. Use your own programming logic to determine the rest.
->
-> This usually applies to all my other projects but this one is really
-> different.
->
->
-> Thank you much for your help .. cheers!
->
-> Jerry
->
->
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->
->




From nasir at nasir.us  Wed Apr 16 21:04:27 2003
From: nasir at nasir.us (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:04:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: ATTN: Hans
Message-ID: <3E9DFD9B.000003.03524@nyt-main>

 Hi,

Do you know if  O'Reilly's 20% off code is still valid? It was sent out to
NYPHP-Announce on February 24th.

- Nasir



From jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 21:12:15 2003
From: jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:12:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <005b01c3047e$62e6f740$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Pinyo,

>New guy here.  This may help.  I use this too, so if you can point out any
>weaknesses, please let me know.
>
><?php
>$host = "www.yoururl.com";
>if (!isset($HTTP_REFERRER) || ($HTTP_HOST != $host)) {
>    # access denied message
>}
>?>
>
>You may have to use the long-hand variable call.  Anyway, it basically say
>that to load this page the request must come from another page on the same
>host.  This way people cannot create form on their site and link to your
>pages, nor can they type in the address directly.

The links would be placed on other websites, but only ones who register, so
I do check the Referer header against a list of authorized URL's.  Even
though the Referer can not be trusted (that's the weakness I'd like to point
out) I'm using it as one layer of security (in addition to other stuff).
However I also need to make sure that the links at those sites are <a href>
links and not HTML forms sending a GET request to my scripts. I usually
would not matter whether it's a link or a form but in this case it does.

Thanks for your help,
Jerry




From shiflett at php.net  Wed Apr 16 21:18:43 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170112.h3H1BV13097783@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417011843.79899.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jerry Kapron <jkapron at newageweb.com> wrote:
> I also need to make sure that the links at those sites are <a href>
> links and not HTML forms sending a GET request to my scripts. I
> usually would not matter whether it's a link or a form but in this
> case it does.

Seriously, you're going to need to elaborate here for us to help you. Why would
it matter if these other sites have a button instead of a link? Would it also
matter to you if they used an image as a link instead of text? I do not
understand the security concern you speak of.

Chris


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 16 21:39:24 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ATTN: Hans
In-Reply-To: <200304170106.h3H15XxZ096985@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417013924.58185.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Nasir Zubair <nasir at nasir.us> wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
> Do you know if  O'Reilly's 20% off code is still valid? It was sent out to
> NYPHP-Announce on February 24th.

Sorry, I don't know.  I didn't notice any expiration date, so give it shot I
suppose.

H




From jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 21:42:12 2003
From: jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:42:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <006801c30482$9189e9a0$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Chris,

>ok - dunno what I'm talking about, but could you possible append some sort
>of hash value to the href - which could only be generated by your script
and
>not any third party?  Make the key available only to the valid websites in
>order for them to generate it - and don't accept anything that does have a
>submit.

I actually do a couple of things that let me reliably determine whether the
request is authorized. The problem however is that there is a good reason
why the authorized webmasters would want to replace the links with forms
even if they are told not to.  Unless there is a way to check whether they
use a link or a form they will get away with "breaking the rule" and will
keep doing it.  The only option I have left is to build a bot that would
check each authorized URL for existence of the required <a href> link. Since
most of those sites are extranet sites protected by different types user
authentication I'll have to use a cURL based bot for cookie/session support.
I'll have to require the webmasters to provide username/password for the bot
to use when checking their site.
This is much more work than I expected.

Jerry



From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 16 21:45:30 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:45:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170141.h3H1fRxN000339@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOCEBJCFAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

so it's the webmasters you're worried about?  hmmm...

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Jerry Kapron [mailto:jkapron at newageweb.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:41 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
->
->
-> Chris,
->
-> >ok - dunno what I'm talking about, but could you possible
-> append some sort
-> >of hash value to the href - which could only be generated by your script
-> and
-> >not any third party?  Make the key available only to the valid
-> websites in
-> >order for them to generate it - and don't accept anything that
-> does have a
-> >submit.
->
-> I actually do a couple of things that let me reliably determine
-> whether the
-> request is authorized. The problem however is that there is a good reason
-> why the authorized webmasters would want to replace the links with forms
-> even if they are told not to.  Unless there is a way to check
-> whether they
-> use a link or a form they will get away with "breaking the rule" and will
-> keep doing it.  The only option I have left is to build a bot that would
-> check each authorized URL for existence of the required <a href>
-> link. Since
-> most of those sites are extranet sites protected by different types user
-> authentication I'll have to use a cURL based bot for
-> cookie/session support.
-> I'll have to require the webmasters to provide username/password
-> for the bot
-> to use when checking their site.
-> This is much more work than I expected.
->
-> Jerry
->
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->
->




From shiflett at php.net  Wed Apr 16 21:46:08 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:46:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170141.h3H1fR13000339@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417014608.83363.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jerry Kapron <jkapron at newageweb.com> wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> > ok - dunno what I'm talking about, but could you possible append
> > some sort of hash value to the href - which could only be generated
> > by your script and not any third party? Make the key available only
> > to the valid websites in order for them to generate it - and don't
> > accept anything that does have a submit.

I assume by Chris you mean me, but I didn't write that. :-)

> The problem however is that there is a good reason why the authorized
> webmasters would want to replace the links with forms even if they are
> told not to. Unless there is a way to check whether they use a link or
> a form they will get away with "breaking the rule" and will keep doing
> it.

Please explain this rule they would be breaking. We need to better understand
the problem before we can try to think of a solution.

Chris


From jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 22:05:45 2003
From: jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:05:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <007101c30485$dc1dae40$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Chris,

>Seriously, you're going to need to elaborate here for us to help you.

I wish I could do that. But unfortunately  I can't.  I'm afraid I'm already
in breach of my contract by discussing technical details of the project
here.


>Why would it matter if these other sites have a button instead of a link?

It does not matter on the back end part of the system, but it does in
general, trust me. I can't tell you more.  I just wish there was a way to
detect it on the back end.

>Would it also matter to you if they used an image as a link instead of
text?

No, both are ok, text or image.

>I do not understand the security concern you speak of.

That's not really important.  I'm stuck with one specific thing: the ability
to determine whether the request came from an <a href> link or a form.


Thanks for trying o help,
Jerry



From jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 22:11:00 2003
From: jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:11:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <008001c30486$97941920$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

>so it's the webmasters you're worried about?  hmmm...

Exactly. Sorry for not making it clear. I just realized I called them users,
since they are my client's users.

Thanks,
Jerry



From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 16 22:12:59 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:12:59 -0400
Subject: Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
References: <200304170210.h3H2AFxT004064@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00cf01c30486$de7bcd10$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Just visited the link section of PHP.net.  Did not see nyphp.org there.  May
be a worthwhile effort.

Pinyo



From shiflett at php.net  Wed Apr 16 22:26:24 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170207.h3H26x13003321@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417022624.87740.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jerry Kapron <jkapron at newageweb.com> wrote:
> >Why would it matter if these other sites have a button instead of a link?
> 
> It does not matter on the back end part of the system, but it does in
> general, trust me. I can't tell you more. I just wish there was a way to
> detect it on the back end.

Well, maybe this will help. I created the following test page, http.php:

<p><a href="./http.php">Link</a></p>
<form action="./http.php" method="get">
<input type="submit">
</form>

When I click the link, my Web browser sends this:

GET /~chris/http.php HTTP/1.1
Host: 127.0.0.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.6 (X11; Linux i686; U;) Gecko/20020830
Accept:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
Accept-Language: en-us, en;q=0.50
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://127.0.0.1/~chris/http.php

When I click the submit button, my Web browser sends this:

GET /~chris/http.php HTTP/1.1
Host: 127.0.0.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.6 (X11; Linux i686; U;) Gecko/20020830
Accept:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
Accept-Language: en-us, en;q=0.50
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://127.0.0.1/~chris/http.php

Of course, I can also telnet directly to the Web server and type the request
in, so that's three different ways to generate the exact same request.

> That's not really important.  I'm stuck with one specific thing: the
> ability to determine whether the request came from an <a href> link or a
> form.

As my example shows, this is really impossible. You cannot detect it based on
the request itself, so you're going to have to think outside of the box. Since
it is the authors of the Web sites you are worried about, perhaps the only
viable solution is for you to check up on them with an automated script of some
type, much like you were describing.

Sorry I can't help more. I must admit that I am really curious why it could
possibly matter. :-)

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From shiflett at php.net  Wed Apr 16 22:29:01 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:29:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
In-Reply-To: <200304170213.h3H2D213005152@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417022901.5662.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Just visited the link section of PHP.net.  Did not see nyphp.org there.
> May be a worthwhile effort.

What do you want the brief blurb to say?

Chris


From jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Apr 16 23:07:44 2003
From: jkapron at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:07:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <001801c3048e$84b000a0$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Chris,

>As my example shows, this is really impossible. You cannot detect it based
on
>the request itself, so you're going to have to think outside of the box.
Since
>it is the authors of the Web sites you are worried about, perhaps the only
>viable solution is for you to check up on them with an automated script of
some
>type, much like you were describing.

I knew that the request seems identical in both cases. That's why I came
here for suggestions. Perhaps when I get some sleep I'll start thinking out
of the box :)  I did not get any sleep in 41 hours.  I really appreciate
your effort in trying to help me.  I think I'll go with the web bot solution
for now.

>Sorry I can't help more. I must admit that I am really curious why it could
>possibly matter. :-)

I wish a could tell you what it's all about.  I should be able to reveal
more when the project is finished.


Thanks,
Jerry




From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Thu Apr 17 00:48:42 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:48:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <200304170448.h3H4mg29010045@gw00.com>

I agree with both Chris and Jerry... you should log
all the referring URLs and build a nice interface to
list them all.  Then either a human can manually
check them all periodically, or, yes, you could try
to write some smart page-sniffer to parse for
yourUrl as a FORM action.

	It sounds like your company needs to track your
remote webmasters for more reasons than one... so
writing a script that sniffs their pages might actually
be a good investment...(?)

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 17 07:32:06 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:32:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
References: <200304170229.h3H2T4xT006826@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002801c304d4$f9d883c0$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

How about this?

NYPHP is a nonprofit organization based in New York City.  Our primary
purpose is to help professionals and webmasters share and learn about
amongst ourselves, particularly about AMP - Apache, MySQL, and PHP.  NYPHP
actively develop Open Source projects and a knowledge base of code, articles
and tutorials.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?


> --- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> > Just visited the link section of PHP.net.  Did not see nyphp.org there.
> > May be a worthwhile effort.
>
> What do you want the brief blurb to say?
>
> Chris
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 08:41:14 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 05:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Utf and latin 1
In-Reply-To: <200304162148.h3GLlMxb081807@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417124114.18219.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have two different character encodings on my page. Is there anyway to
> convert utf-8 characters into latin1 characters via php?

Not having done this myself this is only from memory:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.recode.php

and I believe there are some other extensions that do similar things
(although the name escapes me).

H



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Thu Apr 17 09:38:47 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:38:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170226.h3H2QQtl006082@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <03e201c304e6$acb52e10$e1951d18@enobrev>

Well, if you end up going the parse a page for a link route, couldn't
you just parse the referrer for that link?  I mean grabbing a page and
using RegEx to find a link takes a second, tops.  So you parse the page,
find the link you're looking for and then allow the script to continue.

I suppose that would require a login on some sites.. Dunno - hard to say
without more specifics.

Good header example, btw Chris.  I was wondering if here would be a
difference in the headers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:26 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request

--- Jerry Kapron <jkapron at newageweb.com> wrote:
> >Why would it matter if these other sites have a button instead of a
link?
> 
> It does not matter on the back end part of the system, but it does in
> general, trust me. I can't tell you more. I just wish there was a way
to
> detect it on the back end.

Well, maybe this will help. I created the following test page, http.php:

<p><a href="./http.php">Link</a></p>
<form action="./http.php" method="get">
<input type="submit">
</form>

When I click the link, my Web browser sends this:

GET /~chris/http.php HTTP/1.1
Host: 127.0.0.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.6 (X11; Linux i686; U;)
Gecko/20020830
Accept:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plai
n;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=
0.1
Accept-Language: en-us, en;q=0.50
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://127.0.0.1/~chris/http.php

When I click the submit button, my Web browser sends this:

GET /~chris/http.php HTTP/1.1
Host: 127.0.0.1
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.6 (X11; Linux i686; U;)
Gecko/20020830
Accept:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plai
n;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=
0.1
Accept-Language: en-us, en;q=0.50
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
Referer: http://127.0.0.1/~chris/http.php

Of course, I can also telnet directly to the Web server and type the
request
in, so that's three different ways to generate the exact same request.

> That's not really important.  I'm stuck with one specific thing: the
> ability to determine whether the request came from an <a href> link or
a
> form.

As my example shows, this is really impossible. You cannot detect it
based on
the request itself, so you're going to have to think outside of the box.
Since
it is the authors of the Web sites you are worried about, perhaps the
only
viable solution is for you to check up on them with an automated script
of some
type, much like you were describing.

Sorry I can't help more. I must admit that I am really curious why it
could
possibly matter. :-)

Chris

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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Thu Apr 17 09:40:39 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:40:39 -0400
Subject: I need to do a search criteria in Oracle SQL inside LONG datatype field...
Message-ID: <54470-220034417134039899@M2W044.mail2web.com>

Would anyone here have any idea how I would do this, knowing that I cannot
have a LONG datatype field in a WHERE clause?

Thanx
Phil

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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Apr 17 10:50:18 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170001.h3H00X15090542@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417145018.10191.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> New guy here.  This may help.  I use this too, so if you can point out any
> weaknesses, please let me know.
> 
> <?php
> $host = "www.yoururl.com";
> if (!isset($HTTP_REFERRER) || ($HTTP_HOST != $host)) {
>     # access denied message
> }
> ?>

Since you asked... :-)

There are many ways to defeat this, and here is an example. Assume your above
script is named foo.php and outputs "access granted" immediately after your
conditional statement:

[chris at alpha]~> telnet www.yoururl.com 80
Trying 12.34.56.78...
Connected to www.yoururl.com (12.34.56.78).
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /foo.php HTTP/1.1
Host: www.yoururl.com
Referer: http://www.youonlycheckifthisisset.org/


HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:46:11 GMT
Server: Apache
Content-Type: text/html
Content-length: 14

access granted

Connection closed by foreign host.
[chris at alpha]~>

Basically, those variables that start with HTTP are just the headers sent by
the client, so if you trust those for any sort of security, it's like a teacher
asking the students to grade their own papers. It will work fine on honest
people, but those aren't the ones to be concerned with.

Hope that helps.

Chris


From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu Apr 17 11:18:16 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:18:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2CB4@USA1370MS1>

Hi Chris,

Thanks.  How would you tighten it up?

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:50 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request


--- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> New guy here.  This may help.  I use this too, so if you can point out any
> weaknesses, please let me know.
> 
> <?php
> $host = "www.yoururl.com";
> if (!isset($HTTP_REFERRER) || ($HTTP_HOST != $host)) {
>     # access denied message
> }
> ?>

Since you asked... :-)

There are many ways to defeat this, and here is an example. Assume your
above
script is named foo.php and outputs "access granted" immediately after your
conditional statement:

[chris at alpha]~> telnet www.yoururl.com 80
Trying 12.34.56.78...
Connected to www.yoururl.com (12.34.56.78).
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /foo.php HTTP/1.1
Host: www.yoururl.com
Referer: http://www.youonlycheckifthisisset.org/


HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:46:11 GMT
Server: Apache
Content-Type: text/html
Content-length: 14

access granted

Connection closed by foreign host.
[chris at alpha]~>

Basically, those variables that start with HTTP are just the headers sent by
the client, so if you trust those for any sort of security, it's like a
teacher
asking the students to grade their own papers. It will work fine on honest
people, but those aren't the ones to be concerned with.

Hope that helps.

Chris


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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Apr 17 11:35:46 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304171518.h3HFIO13025164@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417153546.19704.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Thanks.  How would you tighten it up?
> 
> Pinyo

Well, I'm not sure what you're wanting to do exactly. In general, I try to
focus most of my creative thinking on two things:

1. Storing everything that isn't necessary for client identification on the
server (such as in a session) and trusting nothing from the client.
2. Making it very difficult for someone to impersonate another user.

If you tell me your primary concern(s), I might be able to offer some
suggestions.

Chris


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 12:04:48 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
In-Reply-To: <200304171132.h3HBW7xZ017075@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417160448.51290.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> How about this?
> 
> NYPHP is a nonprofit organization based in New York City.  Our primary
> purpose is to help professionals and webmasters share and learn about
> amongst ourselves, particularly about AMP - Apache, MySQL, and PHP.  NYPHP
> actively develop Open Source projects and a knowledge base of code,
> articles and tutorials.

Might be a bit long.

> > --- Pinyo Bhulipongsanon <pinyo at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Just visited the link section of PHP.net.  Did not see nyphp.org there.
> > > May be a worthwhile effort.

Very good idea though.

> > What do you want the brief blurb to say?

How about something like:

New York PHP
International community supporting PHP adoption, projects and development.


In the professional's association section?




From max at idsociety.com  Thu Apr 17 12:10:43 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:10:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304162242.h3GMg4vV084664@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304162242.h3GMg4vV084664@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E9ED203.9040801@idsociety.com>

This is a fairly vague problem, so I'll give my suggestion to what I 
think you are trying to do.

On each non-local website do something similar to this:

<script type="text/javascript" 
src="http://example.com/offsite/link_creator.js">
<a href="#" onClick="return linkCreate();">Click Me</a>

(where example.com is your server)

On your server you would have link_creator.js be a PHP script that 
creates dynamic Javascript. This allows you to grab information such as 
the referrer, and the remote IP address, and any other information you 
could need. You could even make the JavaScript source append a get 
variable for that site like link_creator.js?site=www.remotesite.com

The PHP would create a one time use hash, depending on if
all of your security requirements have been met which then is inserted
into the temporary table along with the remote IP, referrer etc.

The dynamic JavaScript would then include a function (linkCreate) which 
just changes the browser's location to the link you have created.

This would cause some heavy traffic load, especially if all of the 
remote sites get a lot of traffic. This would allow you to make 
one-time-use hashes that would be required for a successful page load on 
your server.  Once the unique hash has been found in the query string, 
you just expire it on the database.

Not sure if that would help, but it may be relevant.

-Max


Jerry Kapron wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how I can restrict people to using an <a href> link
> to send a request to a script.
> To be more specific I don't want them to send requests by submitting a form.
> In case they do the script would respond with '401 Unauthorized' header or
> something to that effect.  For a while I thought I had a solution.. by
> looking for an additional GET var which would reflect the presence of a
> 'Submit' button, but then I realized that a form may be easily submitted
> with JavaScript's submit() method == no additional GET vars.
> I know it may seem like I worry too much, but in this project security is
> *extremely* important.
> I hope someone comes up with some clever idea..  my brain needs a reboot to
> maintenance mode for a few hours..
> 
> cheers,
> Jerry
> 
> --
> 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com>
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:48 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Utf and latin 1
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have two different character encodings on my page. Is there anyway to
>>convert utf-8 characters into latin1 characters via php?
>>
>>
>>--
>>James Musil
>>Senior Developer
>>Village Voice Media
>>36 Cooper Square
>>New York, NY  10003
>>(212) 475-3300 ext 14003
>>JMusil at villagevoice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 12:21:55 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304170112.h3H1BVxZ097783@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417162155.94089.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jerry Kapron <jkapron at newageweb.com> wrote:
> Pinyo,
> 
> >New guy here.  This may help.  I use this too, so if you can point out any
> >weaknesses, please let me know.
> >
> ><?php
> >$host = "www.yoururl.com";
> >if (!isset($HTTP_REFERRER) || ($HTTP_HOST != $host)) {
> >    # access denied message
> >}
> >?>
> >
> >You may have to use the long-hand variable call.  Anyway, it basically say
> >that to load this page the request must come from another page on the same
> >host.  This way people cannot create form on their site and link to your
> >pages, nor can they type in the address directly.
> 
> The links would be placed on other websites, but only ones who register, so
> I do check the Referer header against a list of authorized URL's.  Even
> though the Referer can not be trusted (that's the weakness I'd like to
> point
> out) I'm using it as one layer of security (in addition to other stuff).
> However I also need to make sure that the links at those sites are <a href>
> links and not HTML forms sending a GET request to my scripts.

It is not possible, in an absolute sense.  Regardless of what HTTP, client
side, javascript or PHP tricks you can think of, it's forgable.  How can a
web server know I'm connecting via telnet, let alone cURL, or anything else? 
You'll need to establish a baseline security measure (read: what's good
enough) and then make an implementation.  

I'm just jumping in on this thread, so forgive me if this was covered, but
you may be able to do a callback method.  You'd could connect back to the
requester, asking for the referring page.  Could this be forged?  Sure, but
it may offer some level obscurity, in addition to SSL options (since it's
harder to forge SSL, nix cURL).

Good luck,

H




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 12:28:47 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I need to do a search criteria in Oracle SQL inside LONG datatype field...
In-Reply-To: <200304171341.h3HDf6xZ021552@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417162847.57722.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "soazine at pop.erols.com" <soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net> wrote:
> Would anyone here have any idea how I would do this, knowing that I cannot
> have a LONG datatype field in a WHERE clause?

Use LOB and/or TO_LOB()

H




From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Thu Apr 17 13:35:15 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:35:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I need to do a search criteria in Oracle SQL inside LONG datatype field...
Message-ID: <157240-220034417173515533@M2W090.mail2web.com>

Could you show me an example of how to use TO_LOB or LOB within a SQL
statement? And is it possible to write this w/o having to write a stored
procedure or function?

A sketch of the SQL statement I want is below (note "templateBody" is the
renaming of t.BODY, the LONG column datatype):

SELECT t.ID, t.TITLE, tp.PATHNAME
FROM vigaudi.template t, vigaudi.template_path tp, vigaudi.vgn_ci ci 
WHERE t.ID = tp.ID 
AND TO_CHAR(t.ID) = ci.RECORDID 
AND ci.PROJECT IN ('/pr/64', '/pr/79', '/pr/7b', '/pr/7c', '/pr/7e',
'/pr/80', '/pr/81', '/pr/82', '/pr/83', '/pr/84', '/pr/85', '/pr/8c',
'/pr/90', '/pr/93', '/pr/97', '/pr/99', '/pr/9a', '/pr/9b', '/pr/9e',
'/pr/9f', '/pr/a0', '/pr/a3', '/pr/a4', '/pr/a5', '/pr/63') 
--AND templateBody like '%Constants %' OR templateBody like '%TypeConstants
%'

Phil


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Hans Zaunere zaunere at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:28:50 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] I need to do a search criteria in Oracle SQL
inside LONG datatype field...



--- "soazine at pop.erols.com" <soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net> wrote:
> Would anyone here have any idea how I would do this, knowing that I cannot
> have a LONG datatype field in a WHERE clause?

Use LOB and/or TO_LOB()

H




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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Thu Apr 17 13:44:16 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:44:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
Message-ID: <003601c30508$f7ca1880$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Max,
This is exactly what I came up with while eating my oatmeal this morning :)
However one thing still concerns me:
<form onSubmit="return linkCreate();">
or
<form ...>
<input type="button" onClick="return linkCreate();">

BTW, what's the difference between ="return linkCreate()" and
="linkCreate()"  ?

Thanks,
Jerry


>This is a fairly vague problem, so I'll give my suggestion to what I
>think you are trying to do.
>
>On each non-local website do something similar to this:
>
><script type="text/javascript"
>src="http://example.com/offsite/link_creator.js">
><a href="#" onClickonClick="return linkCreate();">Click Me</a>
>
>(where example.com is your server)
>
>On your server you would have link_creator.js be a PHP script that
>creates dynamic Javascript. This allows you to grab information such as
>the referrer, and the remote IP address, and any other information you
>could need. You could even make the JavaScript source append a get
>variable for that site like link_creator.js?site=www.remotesite.com
>
>The PHP would create a one time use hash, depending on if
>all of your security requirements have been met which then is inserted
>into the temporary table along with the remote IP, referrer etc.
>
>The dynamic JavaScript would then include a function (linkCreate) which
>just changes the browser's location to the link you have created.
>
>This would cause some heavy traffic load, especially if all of the
>remote sites get a lot of traffic. This would allow you to make
>one-time-use hashes that would be required for a successful page load on
>your server.  Once the unique hash has been found in the query string,
>you just expire it on the database.
>
>Not sure if that would help, but it may be relevant.
>
>-Max




From shiflett at php.net  Thu Apr 17 14:18:43 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
In-Reply-To: <200304171605.h3HG4o13027280@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030417181843.49122.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What do you want the brief blurb to say?
> 
> How about something like:
> 
> New York PHP
> International community supporting PHP adoption, projects and development.
> 
> In the professional's association section?

It's on there now.

Chris


From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu Apr 17 14:26:16 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:26:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2CBB@USA1370MS1>

Wow, so fast.  Only if I can get link to my site that easily.

:-)

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:19 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?


--- Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What do you want the brief blurb to say?
> 
> How about something like:
> 
> New York PHP
> International community supporting PHP adoption, projects and development.
> 
> In the professional's association section?

It's on there now.

Chris


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From max at idsociety.com  Thu Apr 17 14:39:49 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:39:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] <a href> vs. <form> request
In-Reply-To: <200304171754.h3HHrXvV032715@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304171754.h3HHrXvV032715@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3E9EF4F5.8010207@idsociety.com>

If I recall correctly, you would need to return false so it doesn't
actually continue with the current operation. For instance if you did it
in an onSubmit, returning false would keep the form from submitting
(this is quite useful for form validation).

Just keep in mind that this is all just allusion. If someone really
wants to use a form to do this, they could pull it off with some simple
scripts and a small amount of time. If the security of this application
isn't really mission critical this solution should suffice though.

-Max


Jerry Kapron wrote:

> Max,
> This is exactly what I came up with while eating my oatmeal this morning :)
> However one thing still concerns me:
> <form onSubmit="return linkCreate();">
> or
> <form ...>
> <input type="button" onClick="return linkCreate();">
> 
> BTW, what's the difference between ="return linkCreate()" and
> ="linkCreate()"  ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
>>This is a fairly vague problem, so I'll give my suggestion to what I
>>think you are trying to do.
>>
>>On each non-local website do something similar to this:
>>
>><script type="text/javascript"
>>src="http://example.com/offsite/link_creator.js">
>><a href="#" onClickonClick="return linkCreate();">Click Me</a>
>>
>>(where example.com is your server)
>>
>>On your server you would have link_creator.js be a PHP script that
>>creates dynamic Javascript. This allows you to grab information such as
>>the referrer, and the remote IP address, and any other information you
>>could need. You could even make the JavaScript source append a get
>>variable for that site like link_creator.js?site=www.remotesite.com
>>
>>The PHP would create a one time use hash, depending on if
>>all of your security requirements have been met which then is inserted
>>into the temporary table along with the remote IP, referrer etc.
>>
>>The dynamic JavaScript would then include a function (linkCreate) which
>>just changes the browser's location to the link you have created.
>>
>>This would cause some heavy traffic load, especially if all of the
>>remote sites get a lot of traffic. This would allow you to make
>>one-time-use hashes that would be required for a successful page load on
>>your server.  Once the unique hash has been found in the query string,
>>you just expire it on the database.
>>
>>Not sure if that would help, but it may be relevant.
>>
>>-Max
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 23:45:41 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
In-Reply-To: <200304171826.h3HIQNxZ034737@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030418034541.95355.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> Wow, so fast.  Only if I can get link to my site that easily.

Thank you for pointing it out :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:19 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
> 
> 
> --- Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > What do you want the brief blurb to say?
> > 
> > How about something like:
> > 
> > New York PHP
> > International community supporting PHP adoption, projects and
> development.
> > 
> > In the professional's association section?
> 
> It's on there now.

Thank you for putting it online :)

H


From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr 18 07:32:40 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:32:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
References: <200304180346.h3I3jixT045440@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c3059e$387c2ea0$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Glad to help :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:45 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?


> 
> --- "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> > Wow, so fast.  Only if I can get link to my site that easily.
> 
> Thank you for pointing it out :)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 2:19 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Is nyphp.org linked from php.net?
> > 
> > 
> > --- Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > What do you want the brief blurb to say?
> > > 
> > > How about something like:
> > > 
> > > New York PHP
> > > International community supporting PHP adoption, projects and
> > development.
> > > 
> > > In the professional's association section?
> > 
> > It's on there now.
> 
> Thank you for putting it online :)
> 
> H
> 
> 
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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Fri Apr 18 11:35:42 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:35:42 -0400
Subject: PHP eCommerce Freeware/Shareware
Message-ID: <000001c305c0$2ca0eef0$4cbdfea9@bronco>

Can you please mention application of this type you have had experience
with or heard about.

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
PSWebcode -- opensource programming 
for the interactive web
psaw at pswebcode.com
www.pswebcode.com
718.543.3240



From sailer at bnl.gov  Fri Apr 18 12:17:53 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:17:53 -0400
Subject: cgi from cron
Message-ID: <20030418161753.GA7556@bnl.gov>

I've got a strange situation. I'm working on a php shell script that
connects to LDAP and Oracle, and transfers data. This works fine
from the command line, but, when put into crontab, the LDAP connect
fails. What am I missing? I've gone through all the combos I can
think of...

Tim

-- 
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Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 18 12:30:30 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:30:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron
In-Reply-To: <200304181618.h3IGI1tl063697@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <014b01c305c7$d3e225b0$e1951d18@enobrev>

Could it possible be the user cron is running the script as?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Sailer [mailto:sailer at bnl.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:18 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron


I've got a strange situation. I'm working on a php shell script that
connects to LDAP and Oracle, and transfers data. This works fine from
the command line, but, when put into crontab, the LDAP connect fails.
What am I missing? I've gone through all the combos I can think of...

Tim

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Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


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From sailer at bnl.gov  Fri Apr 18 12:34:02 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:34:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron
In-Reply-To: <200304181630.h3IGURsH064577@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181630.h3IGURsH064577@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030418163402.GA8938@bnl.gov>

On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Mark Armendariz wrote:
> Could it possible be the user cron is running the script as?

Nope, I've tried changing that....

Tim

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From max at idsociety.com  Fri Apr 18 12:42:42 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:42:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron
In-Reply-To: <200304181618.h3IGI1vV063697@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181618.h3IGI1vV063697@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EA02B02.5090202@idsociety.com>

are you making sure you it's using the same binary as the one you are
using from the command line. and it's in the user's path etc?
maybe you are using the cli binary as opposed to the cgi binary?

-max

Tim Sailer wrote:

> I've got a strange situation. I'm working on a php shell script that
> connects to LDAP and Oracle, and transfers data. This works fine
> from the command line, but, when put into crontab, the LDAP connect
> fails. What am I missing? I've gone through all the combos I can
> think of...
> 
> Tim
> 



From sailer at bnl.gov  Fri Apr 18 12:47:31 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:47:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron
In-Reply-To: <200304181642.h3IGgfsH066162@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181642.h3IGgfsH066162@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030418164731.GA10076@bnl.gov>

On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:42:41PM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
> are you making sure you it's using the same binary as the one you are
> using from the command line. and it's in the user's path etc?
> maybe you are using the cli binary as opposed to the cgi binary?

I always use explicit paths in cron. I cut-n-paste the command part
from crontab to the commandline, and it runs. I'm confused.

Tim

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Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri Apr 18 13:42:22 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:42:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron
In-Reply-To: <200304181648.h3IGlaxp067336@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181648.h3IGlaxp067336@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EA038FE.5060308@omnistep.com>

Does your script make relative (vs absolute) references to files?
There is a possibility that when you're testing, there are directories
included in your PATH, that aren't when cron runs.

Sometimes you have to do dirty scripting stuff to get things working 
properly.
For example, the old RealServer daemon use to require starting from the
"/usr/local/realserver" directory and then running "bin/rmserver"
so I had to create something silly like "cd /usr/local/realserver; 
bin/rmserver"

Tim Sailer wrote:

>On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:42:41PM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
>  
>
>>are you making sure you it's using the same binary as the one you are
>>using from the command line. and it's in the user's path etc?
>>maybe you are using the cli binary as opposed to the cgi binary?
>>    
>>
>
>I always use explicit paths in cron. I cut-n-paste the command part
>from crontab to the commandline, and it runs. I'm confused.
>
>Tim
>
>  
>



From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri Apr 18 13:53:12 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:53:12 -0400
Subject: A bit of development humor
Message-ID: <232810-220034518175312252@M2W072.mail2web.com>

One of my IT friends back home just came out of a meeting and this was
actually said in it:

"she said 'can you please explain to me how documentation and comments in
the code can help you in developing different parts of the site?'"

Wow.

Phil


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From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri Apr 18 14:04:59 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A bit of development humor
In-Reply-To: <200304181753.h3IHrK0d072372@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181753.h3IHrK0d072372@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EA03E4B.3060100@psydeshow.org>

soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:

>One of my IT friends back home just came out of a meeting and this was
>actually said in it:
>
>"she said 'can you please explain to me how documentation and comments in
>the code can help you in developing different parts of the site?'"
>
>  
>
"Can you please explain to me how all those lines painted on the road 
can help you get home from work?"

Nice one, thanks for sharing!



From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Fri Apr 18 14:23:01 2003
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:23:01 -0400
Subject: Solution Sought
Message-ID: <sea00a4e.019@mail.sussex.edu>

I need to set up a "Construction Web Cam" (photo, not streaming) where I work. The main server is outside the firewall but the computer that the camera will be attached to is inside the firewall and you can not FTP through it nor will the network admin. turn on the FTP ability. I am doubtful that he can map a drive or folder to the main web server (apache on a win 2k advanced server). He states that I must use HTTP protocol but apache is not configured with web DAV and I wouldn't know how to recompile if I needed/had to.

Does anyone know of something(s) that would/could work? 

I also need the ability to have some program (PHP?) to automatically take the resulting pictures and generate a page with either thumbnails or links to the photos generated.

I'm looking for a free or next to free solution that will work on a windows platform.

Thank You,

Jessica 




From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri Apr 18 14:31:57 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:31:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A bit of development humor
In-Reply-To: <200304181754.h3IHrK2H072372@parsec.nyphp.org>; from soazine@pop.mail.rcn.net on Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:53:20PM -0400
References: <200304181754.h3IHrK2H072372@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030418143157.A21548@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-04-18 13:53 -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com <soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net> wrote:

> "she said 'can you please explain to me how documentation and comments in
> the code can help you in developing different parts of the site?'"

I would have responded:

"Can you explain to me how all these people in suits help me write
better code?"

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes.


From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Apr 18 14:31:56 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:31:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Solution Sought
In-Reply-To: <200304181823.h3IIND0X074748@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181823.h3IIND0X074748@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304181431.56884.brian@preston-campbell.com>

On Friday 18 April 2003 02:23 pm, jessica kelly wrote:
> I need to set up a "Construction Web Cam" (photo, not streaming)
> where I work. The main server is outside the firewall but the
> computer that the camera will be attached to is inside the firewall
> and you can not FTP through it nor will the network admin. turn on
> the FTP ability. I am doubtful that he can map a drive or folder to
> the main web server (apache on a win 2k advanced server). He states
> that I must use HTTP protocol but apache is not configured with web
> DAV and I wouldn't know how to recompile if I needed/had to.
>
> Does anyone know of something(s) that would/could work?
>
> I also need the ability to have some program (PHP?) to
> automatically take the resulting pictures and generate a page with
> either thumbnails or links to the photos generated.
>
> I'm looking for a free or next to free solution that will work on a
> windows platform.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---

What kind of camera do you plan to use?  If it is an IP camera (as in 
network addressable, embedded OS, web server onboard), an http 
request can be sent to the camera that returns a still image.  I 
contract for a company on Long Island that does this type of work.

If it is a USB camera, search for webcamXP -- it is a pretty decent ap 
and I think the registered version does what you need.  It's Windows 
only and is cheap (~$35 last time I checked).

Brian



From drodriguez1 at mac.com  Fri Apr 18 14:35:57 2003
From: drodriguez1 at mac.com (David Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:35:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Solution Sought
In-Reply-To: <200304181823.h3IINDwN074748@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <986D3D79-71CC-11D7-8FB7-000A27D8C444@mac.com>

What method have you got to get files to that web server now?

D.

On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 14:23 America/New_York, jessica kelly wrote:

> I need to set up a "Construction Web Cam" (photo, not streaming) where 
> I work. The main server is outside the firewall but the computer that 
> the camera will be attached to is inside the firewall and you can not 
> FTP through it nor will the network admin. turn on the FTP ability. I 
> am doubtful that he can map a drive or folder to the main web server 
> (apache on a win 2k advanced server). He states that I must use HTTP 
> protocol but apache is not configured with web DAV and I wouldn't know 
> how to recompile if I needed/had to.
>
> Does anyone know of something(s) that would/could work?
>
> I also need the ability to have some program (PHP?) to automatically 
> take the resulting pictures and generate a page with either thumbnails 
> or links to the photos generated.
>
> I'm looking for a free or next to free solution that will work on a 
> windows platform.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Fri Apr 18 14:46:06 2003
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:46:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Solution Sought
Message-ID: <sea00fb9.034@mail.sussex.edu>

I FTP to the server but my production computer is outside the firewall (as is the web server) so that's not the problem. The computer that the web cam will be connected to is behind the firewall and can not FTP to the server. 

Jessica

>>> drodriguez1 at mac.com 4/18/03 2:36:03 PM >>>
What method have you got to get files to that web server now?

D.

On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 14:23 America/New_York, jessica kelly wrote:

> I need to set up a "Construction Web Cam" (photo, not streaming) where 
> I work. The main server is outside the firewall but the computer that 
> the camera will be attached to is inside the firewall and you can not 
> FTP through it nor will the network admin. turn on the FTP ability. I 
> am doubtful that he can map a drive or folder to the main web server 
> (apache on a win 2k advanced server). He states that I must use HTTP 
> protocol but apache is not configured with web DAV and I wouldn't know 
> how to recompile if I needed/had to.
>
> Does anyone know of something(s) that would/could work?
>
> I also need the ability to have some program (PHP?) to automatically 
> take the resulting pictures and generate a page with either thumbnails 
> or links to the photos generated.
>
> I'm looking for a free or next to free solution that will work on a 
> windows platform.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>



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From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Fri Apr 18 14:46:38 2003
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:46:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A bit of development humor
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F0A6D9C5E@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


It's surprising because it's completely unexpected (to us)...
but I could probably bet you there are some non-technical managers
out there that might have had this question come across their minds,
but were either not curious enough to ask or didn't want to suffer
embarrassment due to ignorance.

Due to the enormous amount of information available out there, some
folks make a point to be ignorant of certain things to keep
their lives as simple as possible; for example, One time I asked
"When is Labor Day?" to a co-worker and he was totally floored
and dumbfounded by my question.  Knowing what day that particular
holiday landed on wasn't important, until the that day when I asked.

-Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 1:53 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A bit of development humor


One of my IT friends back home just came out of a meeting and this was
actually said in it:

"she said 'can you please explain to me how documentation and comments in
the code can help you in developing different parts of the site?'"

Wow.

Phil


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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Apr 18 14:55:55 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:55:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Solution Sought
In-Reply-To: <200304181846.h3IIkE0X078343@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304181846.h3IIkE0X078343@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304181455.55015.brian@preston-campbell.com>

On Friday 18 April 2003 02:46 pm, jessica kelly wrote:
> I FTP to the server but my production computer is outside the
> firewall (as is the web server) so that's not the problem. The
> computer that the web cam will be connected to is behind the
> firewall and can not FTP to the server.
>
> Jessica
>
> >>> drodriguez1 at mac.com 4/18/03 2:36:03 PM >>>
>
> What method have you got to get files to that web server now?
>
> D.
>
> On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 14:23 America/New_York, jessica kelly 
wrote:
> > I need to set up a "Construction Web Cam" (photo, not streaming)
> > where I work. The main server is outside the firewall but the
> > computer that the camera will be attached to is inside the
> > firewall and you can not FTP through it nor will the network
> > admin. turn on the FTP ability. I am doubtful that he can map a
> > drive or folder to the main web server (apache on a win 2k
> > advanced server). He states that I must use HTTP protocol but
> > apache is not configured with web DAV and I wouldn't know how to
> > recompile if I needed/had to.
> >
> > Does anyone know of something(s) that would/could work?
> >
> > I also need the ability to have some program (PHP?) to
> > automatically take the resulting pictures and generate a page
> > with either thumbnails or links to the photos generated.
> >
> > I'm looking for a free or next to free solution that will work on
> > a windows platform.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Jessica
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---

In this case, since the webcam is behind the firewall, but you are 
allowed http requests, you can simple access the image directly with
<img scr="http://[ip of cam server]/image.jpg]" etc etc etc..>

I have a  small java applet that refreshes periodically so if you are 
overwriting the image, the image on your webpage will refresh.  If 
that is what you need, I can send it to you offlist.

Brian



From drodriguez1 at mac.com  Fri Apr 18 15:01:25 2003
From: drodriguez1 at mac.com (David Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:01:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Solution Sought
In-Reply-To: <200304181846.h3IIkEwN078343@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <271706AE-71D0-11D7-8FB7-000A27D8C444@mac.com>

Some webcam programs will allow you to email the picture to someone.  
You might be able to use such a program to email the picture to your 
production computer from the computer with the web cam and then have a 
script upload the attachments to the server.  I can think of a few ways 
to do it if the webcam computer and your production machines were Macs, 
but I'm not certain of what is available on Windows to do this.


D.

On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 14:46 America/New_York, jessica kelly wrote:

> I FTP to the server but my production computer is outside the firewall 
> (as is the web server) so that's not the problem. The computer that 
> the web cam will be connected to is behind the firewall and can not 
> FTP to the server.
>
> Jessica
>
>>>> drodriguez1 at mac.com 4/18/03 2:36:03 PM >>>
> What method have you got to get files to that web server now?
>
> D.
>
> On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 14:23 America/New_York, jessica kelly 
> wrote:
>
>> I need to set up a "Construction Web Cam" (photo, not streaming) where
>> I work. The main server is outside the firewall but the computer that
>> the camera will be attached to is inside the firewall and you can not
>> FTP through it nor will the network admin. turn on the FTP ability. I
>> am doubtful that he can map a drive or folder to the main web server
>> (apache on a win 2k advanced server). He states that I must use HTTP
>> protocol but apache is not configured with web DAV and I wouldn't know
>> how to recompile if I needed/had to.
>>
>> Does anyone know of something(s) that would/could work?
>>
>> I also need the ability to have some program (PHP?) to automatically
>> take the resulting pictures and generate a page with either thumbnails
>> or links to the photos generated.
>>
>> I'm looking for a free or next to free solution that will work on a
>> windows platform.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jessica
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 18 18:05:02 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:05:02 -0400
Subject: Setting directory permissions
Message-ID: <31ba4333ef.333ef31ba4@optonline.net>

I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning PHP...I'm scratching my poor bald head. ;)

Here's a code snippet:

//create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist, chmod to 777
if(!is_dir($id)) {
    $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
    $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
    mkdir($id,0777);
}

The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory "pic_test" to 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form, then change the permissions back to 755.

Thoughts/comments greatly appreciated.

Jeff



From pat at vote.com  Fri Apr 18 19:34:16 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:34:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
In-Reply-To: <200304182206.h3IM4s2x086960@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200304182334.h3INYFr9088877@parsec.nyphp.org>

Jeff,

The value you pass into mkdir() is always AND'd with the current
umask. To be certain that the dir's permissions are set to exactly
what you pass, first clear the umask, as in:

if(!is_dir($id)) {
    $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
    $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
    $old_umask = umask(0000);
    mkdir($id,0777);
    umask($old_umask);
}

You could just set umask to 0000 at the top of your script, but
make sure you understand the full ramifications of doing that. 

Pat Hunt

--------------------------

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:04:54 -0400, jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:

>I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning PHP...I'm scratching my poor bald head. ;)
>
>Here's a code snippet:
>
>//create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist, chmod to 777
>if(!is_dir($id)) {
>    $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
>    $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
>    mkdir($id,0777);
>}>
>The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory "pic_test" to 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form, then change the permissions back to 755.
>
>Thoughts/comments greatly appreciated.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 18 19:49:37 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP eCommerce Freeware/Shareware
In-Reply-To: <200304181534.h3IFY3xZ059750@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030418234937.94618.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "pswebcode, nyc" <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> Can you please mention application of this type you have had experience
> with or heard about.

I haven't had much experience with shareware/freeware implementions but
phpShop springs to mind.  As for commercial products, I've heard good things
about XCart.

H



From hans at nyphp.org  Fri Apr 18 19:54:46 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cgi from cron
In-Reply-To: <200304181648.h3IGlaxZ067336@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030418235446.73684.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:42:41PM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
> > are you making sure you it's using the same binary as the one you are
> > using from the command line. and it's in the user's path etc?
> > maybe you are using the cli binary as opposed to the cgi binary?
> 
> I always use explicit paths in cron. I cut-n-paste the command part
> from crontab to the commandline, and it runs. I'm confused.

How about your environment?  For instance, with Oracle, you need the
ORACLE_HOME and ORACLE_BASE environment variables set, and if I recommend
correctly, LDAP needs similar things.

Also, as mentioned, check user permissions if running under different
UIDs/GIDs

H



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 18 19:56:32 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:56:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP eCommerce Freeware/Shareware
In-Reply-To: <200304182349.h3INndtl090191@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01b601c30606$23460e30$e1951d18@enobrev>

I've set up OSCommerce - http://www.oscommerce.com for a few clients and
they love it.  Definitely a fairly thorough package with a fantastic
team behind it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:50 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP eCommerce Freeware/Shareware



--- "pswebcode, nyc" <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> Can you please mention application of this type you have had 
> experience with or heard about.

I haven't had much experience with shareware/freeware implementions but
phpShop springs to mind.  As for commercial products, I've heard good
things about XCart.

H



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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 18 20:01:18 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:01:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
Message-ID: <3801a32855.328553801a@optonline.net>

Pat,

Thanks for the help. Unfortunately I didn't have any luck with this. I wonder if it has to do with the permissions that PHP is running under, that is, PHP itself does not have the permission needed to create the directory. (Am I making sense or am I confusing apples and oranges?)

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Hunt <pat at vote.com>
Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions

> Jeff,
> 
> The value you pass into mkdir() is always AND'd with the current
> umask. To be certain that the dir's permissions are set to exactly
> what you pass, first clear the umask, as in:
> 
> if(!is_dir($id)) {
>    $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
>    $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
>    $old_umask = umask(0000);
>    mkdir($id,0777);
>    umask($old_umask);
> }
> 
> You could just set umask to 0000 at the top of your script, but
> make sure you understand the full ramifications of doing that. 
> 
> Pat Hunt
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:04:54 -0400, jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> 
> >I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning 
> PHP...I'm scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> >
> >Here's a code snippet:
> >
> >//create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist, 
> chmod to 777
> >if(!is_dir($id)) {
> >    $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
> >    $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
> >    mkdir($id,0777);
> >}>
> >The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory 
> "pic_test" to 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to 
> quickly change the permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures 
> with my form, then change the permissions back to 755.
> >
> >Thoughts/comments greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From hans at nyphp.org  Fri Apr 18 20:20:05 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:20:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
In-Reply-To: <200304182205.h3IM4sxZ086960@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030419002005.99704.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Jeff,

--- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning PHP...I'm
> scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> 
> Here's a code snippet:
> 
> //create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist, chmod to 777
> if(!is_dir($id)) {
>     $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
>     $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
>     mkdir($id,0777);
> }

Note that the is_dir($id) call isn't nessecarily checking the dir you think
it is.

> The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory "pic_test" to
> 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the
> permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form, then change
> the permissions back to 755.

Assuming you're running PHP as an Apache module, you'll be limited to the
user priveleges of Apache itself.  While in most cases this is good, for
writing to the filesystem things can get hairy.

For one, you won't be able to change the permissions of a directory/file you
don't own (read: apache's running user doesn't own).  So, trying to change
the permissions from less-restrictive to more-restrictive 'quickly' is a moot
point, since if a malicious page is written, he'd just change the perms if
desired anyway.

It's a catch-22 (as it should be) and is only solvable by having proper
ownership (or improper ownership, depending on your viewpoint), suEXEC
(achtung!) or a daemon to handle file operations.

HTH,

H




From frankaltea at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 18 20:46:08 2003
From: frankaltea at yahoo.com (Francisco Altea)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:46:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP eCommerce Freeware/Shareware
In-Reply-To: <200304182350.h3INnd4F090191@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030419004608.93772.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>


You might want to try osCommerce, which is very easy
to  deploy unrevised.

http://oscommerce.org

--- Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- "pswebcode, nyc" <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> > Can you please mention application of this type
> you have had experience
> > with or heard about.
> 
> I haven't had much experience with
> shareware/freeware implementions but
> phpShop springs to mind.  As for commercial
> products, I've heard good things
> about XCart.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Fri Apr 18 20:47:57 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:47:57 -0700
Subject: How to not cache an include?
Message-ID: <000901c3060d$52ad3390$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Hey,

Im working on an apartment listing site and a part of a header is included
via include("header.php") which does a count(*) on vacancies but after
entering a new place and giving confirmation "Vacancy was added ..." the
header doesn't reflect the last added entry ... not really important yet
annoying, any ideas?

- Jon



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 18 21:04:08 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:04:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
Message-ID: <3689639447.3944736896@optonline.net>

Hans,

What would you suggest for a set of pages that use a set of pics that the end user can upload? Should I upload them (the pics) into a database as blobs?

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions

> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning 
> PHP...I'm> scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> > 
> > Here's a code snippet:
> > 
> > //create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist, 
> chmod to 777
> > if(!is_dir($id)) {
> >     $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
> >     $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
> >     mkdir($id,0777);
> > }
> 
> Note that the is_dir($id) call isn't nessecarily checking the dir 
> you think
> it is.
> 
> > The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory 
> "pic_test" to
> > 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the
> > permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form, 
> then change
> > the permissions back to 755.
> 
> Assuming you're running PHP as an Apache module, you'll be limited 
> to the
> user priveleges of Apache itself.  While in most cases this is 
> good, for
> writing to the filesystem things can get hairy.
> 
> For one, you won't be able to change the permissions of a 
> directory/file you
> don't own (read: apache's running user doesn't own).  So, trying 
> to change
> the permissions from less-restrictive to more-restrictive 
> 'quickly' is a moot
> point, since if a malicious page is written, he'd just change the 
> perms if
> desired anyway.
> 
> It's a catch-22 (as it should be) and is only solvable by having 
> properownership (or improper ownership, depending on your 
> viewpoint), suEXEC
> (achtung!) or a daemon to handle file operations.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 18 21:40:45 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
In-Reply-To: <200304190104.h3J142xZ096232@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030419014045.30244.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> Hans,
> 
> What would you suggest for a set of pages that use a set of pics that the
> end user can upload?

If you're looking for a picture gallery option, then http://gallery.sf.net is
probably your best bet.  It requires Apache writable directories and
safe_mode=off (PSaw may be able to expand on this, since he implmented it for
NYPHP.org).  This isn't inherently insecure, but a shared environment and a
clever malicious user, may be food for thought.

> Should I upload them (the pics) into a database as blobs?

This certainly is the 'cleanest' option; but performance could be a
consideration, especially for large images.

Having apache writable directories isn't always a bad thing, but if you end
up writing the code yourself, just be very careful with paths and such.

H

 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
> Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
> 
> > 
> > Hi Jeff,
> > 
> > --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > > I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning 
> > PHP...I'm> scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> > > 
> > > Here's a code snippet:
> > > 
> > > //create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist, 
> > chmod to 777
> > > if(!is_dir($id)) {
> > >     $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
> > >     $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
> > >     mkdir($id,0777);
> > > }
> > 
> > Note that the is_dir($id) call isn't nessecarily checking the dir 
> > you think
> > it is.
> > 
> > > The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory 
> > "pic_test" to
> > > 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the
> > > permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form, 
> > then change
> > > the permissions back to 755.
> > 
> > Assuming you're running PHP as an Apache module, you'll be limited 
> > to the
> > user priveleges of Apache itself.  While in most cases this is 
> > good, for
> > writing to the filesystem things can get hairy.
> > 
> > For one, you won't be able to change the permissions of a 
> > directory/file you
> > don't own (read: apache's running user doesn't own).  So, trying 
> > to change
> > the permissions from less-restrictive to more-restrictive 
> > 'quickly' is a moot
> > point, since if a malicious page is written, he'd just change the 
> > perms if
> > desired anyway.
> > 
> > It's a catch-22 (as it should be) and is only solvable by having 
> > properownership (or improper ownership, depending on your 
> > viewpoint), suEXEC
> > (achtung!) or a daemon to handle file operations.
> > 
> > HTH,
> > 
> > H
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri Apr 18 22:25:23 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:25:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?
In-Reply-To: <200304190048.h3J0mAtl095163@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002201c3061a$f149ae40$e1951d18@enobrev>

Are you adding the listing after the listing is displayed?  If so, is it
possible for you to change the order?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:48 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?


Hey,

Im working on an apartment listing site and a part of a header is
included via include("header.php") which does a count(*) on vacancies
but after entering a new place and giving confirmation "Vacancy was
added ..." the header doesn't reflect the last added entry ... not
really important yet annoying, any ideas?

- Jon



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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sat Apr 19 00:29:10 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:29:10 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?
References: <200304190225.h3J2PQvv098706@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001301c3062c$39b31070$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Well its basically saying that you have a header that includes the total
number of vacancies @ all times and is correct *except* right after a new
one is added using the same form (same page) ... so if you say:

newVacancy.php (includes header.php) - 0 vacancies
-enter new data-
newVacancy.php - response (includes header.php) - 0 vacancies
-click to new page-
newPage.php (includes header.php) - 1 vacancies

Is there something I could put into newVacancy.php to reflect the changes?

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Armendariz" <nyphp at enobrev.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?


> Are you adding the listing after the listing is displayed?  If so, is it
> possible for you to change the order?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:48 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?
>
>
> Hey,
>
> Im working on an apartment listing site and a part of a header is
> included via include("header.php") which does a count(*) on vacancies
> but after entering a new place and giving confirmation "Vacancy was
> added ..." the header doesn't reflect the last added entry ... not
> really important yet annoying, any ideas?
>
> - Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Sat Apr 19 00:49:21 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:49:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?
In-Reply-To: <200304190429.h3J4TMtl001103@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003301c3062f$0e5336f0$e1951d18@enobrev>

Well, I would guess that newVacancy has a form processor in it that
basically takes the submitted data and inserts it into the db (upon
submission).  If you place the insert query  before the header include
on NewVacancy.php, the count query SHOULD reflect the new sum.  

Are you doing it in this order, and not seeing the updated vacancy
count?



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net] 
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:29 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?


Well its basically saying that you have a header that includes the total
number of vacancies @ all times and is correct *except* right after a
new one is added using the same form (same page) ... so if you say:

newVacancy.php (includes header.php) - 0 vacancies
-enter new data-
newVacancy.php - response (includes header.php) - 0 vacancies -click to
new page- newPage.php (includes header.php) - 1 vacancies

Is there something I could put into newVacancy.php to reflect the
changes?

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Armendariz" <nyphp at enobrev.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?


> Are you adding the listing after the listing is displayed?  If so, is 
> it possible for you to change the order?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:48 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?
>
>
> Hey,
>
> Im working on an apartment listing site and a part of a header is 
> included via include("header.php") which does a count(*) on vacancies 
> but after entering a new place and giving confirmation "Vacancy was 
> added ..." the header doesn't reflect the last added entry ... not 
> really important yet annoying, any ideas?
>
> - Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>



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From bradley at bestweb.net  Sat Apr 19 10:21:31 2003
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:21:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
References: <200304190140.h3J1emsB097321@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006d01c3067e$f96f6920$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Sorry, I saw your question and your lack of luck with someone's code - I
didn't read the rest of the posts just because I'm in a rush right now, but
I figured I'd give you the code I used when I needed to make a directory
that I could upload to.

function new_projectdir($project_name)
{
 $old_mask = umask();
 umask(0000);
 chdir('/directory/whatever/');
 mkdir($project_name, 0770);
 umask($old_mask);
 return 1;
}

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions


>
> --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > Hans,
> >
> > What would you suggest for a set of pages that use a set of pics that
the
> > end user can upload?
>
> If you're looking for a picture gallery option, then http://gallery.sf.net
is
> probably your best bet.  It requires Apache writable directories and
> safe_mode=off (PSaw may be able to expand on this, since he implmented it
for
> NYPHP.org).  This isn't inherently insecure, but a shared environment and
a
> clever malicious user, may be food for thought.
>
> > Should I upload them (the pics) into a database as blobs?
>
> This certainly is the 'cleanest' option; but performance could be a
> consideration, especially for large images.
>
> Having apache writable directories isn't always a bad thing, but if you
end
> up writing the code yourself, just be very careful with paths and such.
>
> H
>
>
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
> > Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:20 pm
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > > > I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning
> > > PHP...I'm> scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Here's a code snippet:
> > > >
> > > > //create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist,
> > > chmod to 777
> > > > if(!is_dir($id)) {
> > > >     $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
> > > >     $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
> > > >     mkdir($id,0777);
> > > > }
> > >
> > > Note that the is_dir($id) call isn't nessecarily checking the dir
> > > you think
> > > it is.
> > >
> > > > The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory
> > > "pic_test" to
> > > > 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the
> > > > permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form,
> > > then change
> > > > the permissions back to 755.
> > >
> > > Assuming you're running PHP as an Apache module, you'll be limited
> > > to the
> > > user priveleges of Apache itself.  While in most cases this is
> > > good, for
> > > writing to the filesystem things can get hairy.
> > >
> > > For one, you won't be able to change the permissions of a
> > > directory/file you
> > > don't own (read: apache's running user doesn't own).  So, trying
> > > to change
> > > the permissions from less-restrictive to more-restrictive
> > > 'quickly' is a moot
> > > point, since if a malicious page is written, he'd just change the
> > > perms if
> > > desired anyway.
> > >
> > > It's a catch-22 (as it should be) and is only solvable by having
> > > properownership (or improper ownership, depending on your
> > > viewpoint), suEXEC
> > > (achtung!) or a daemon to handle file operations.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>




From chris at psydeshow.org  Sat Apr 19 11:00:17 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:00:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
In-Reply-To: <200304182205.h3IM4s0d086960@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304182205.h3IM4s0d086960@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EA16481.7030805@psydeshow.org>

jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:

>The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory "pic_test" to 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly change the permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form, then change the permissions back to 755.
>
>Thoughts/comments greatly appreciated.
>
>Jeff
>
>  
>
Jeff-- a couple people have suggested solutions to this that involve 
giving the Apache user write-permission on the directory, which is 
traditionally the way to handle uploaded files.

I'd like to point out that there is another, and I believe better way, 
but it requires you to recompile PHP with the FTP functions enabled. 
After uploading the file, you FTP it to the directory where you want it 
to go. This has the added benefit of making the files owned by you 
instead of by nobody, meaning you can edit or delete them later.

If this is something you want to try, check out Fiatlux: 
http://fiatlux.chxo.com
It uses this method to enable web users to create directories and upload 
files that can also be admin'd via FTP.

    chris.



From suzerain at suzerain.com  Sat Apr 19 13:25:28 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:25:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] session variables size?
In-Reply-To: <200304190020.h3J0K81b093517@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304190020.h3J0K81b093517@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <a05210600bac736459d30@[192.168.2.33]>

hi there.

i'm just wondering if there is a problem with setting a large session 
variable, like performance-wise?  i've been using session variables 
for years, but i always, for some reason, have kept them to just 
storing small stuff, rather than, like, a gigantic associative array 
representing search results or something.

anyone have any rules of thumb here?

just sort of fishing for opinions.

-- 
Marc Antony Vose
http://www.suzerain.com/

Life feeds on life.
-- Tool


From suzerain at suzerain.com  Sat Apr 19 13:31:00 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:31:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to not cache an include?
In-Reply-To: <200304190430.h3J4TM1b001103@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304190430.h3J4TM1b001103@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <a05210601bac7378ae942@[192.168.2.33]>

if i'm understanding you correctly, this probably has nothing to do 
with PHP; are you still seeing this behavior if you turn off caching 
in your browser?

you can put this in the <head> of your document:

<META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">

i know it's not 100% bulletproof, but it's a start.  search for that 
on google.com, and you'll uncover a hornet's nest of anti-caching 
strategies.


At 0:29 -0400 4/19/03, Jon Baer wrote:
>  > Im working on an apartment listing site and a part of a header is
>>  included via include("header.php") which does a count(*) on vacancies
>>  but after entering a new place and giving confirmation "Vacancy was
>>  added ..." the header doesn't reflect the last added entry ... not
>  > really important yet annoying, any ideas?
>  >





-- 
Marc Antony Vose
http://www.suzerain.com/

If you don't have something nice to say, say it anyway.
-- Unknown


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 19 18:36:10 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] session variables size?
In-Reply-To: <200304191727.h3JHPaxZ021631@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030419223610.14269.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi,

--- Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
> hi there.
> 
> i'm just wondering if there is a problem with setting a large session 
> variable, like performance-wise?  i've been using session variables 
> for years, but i always, for some reason, have kept them to just 
> storing small stuff, rather than, like, a gigantic associative array 
> representing search results or something.

If you're using the default session handler, it serializes the session data
(akin to serialize()) and then stores it on disk.  Aside from the
serialize(), sessions are about as fast as you can get, concerning data
storage; baring storing everything in memory.  If you were to write your own
session handler if performance really became an issue.

I don't know exactly what 'gigantic' means, but don't forget about stale
sessions.  If the garbage isn't collected, or you're getting heavy traffic,
you could run into some space and disk contention issues.

H




From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Apr 20 01:03:43 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:03:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
Message-ID: <4247245e0b.45e0b42472@optonline.net>

Bradley,

Thanks so the suggestion. The problem is that I get a "Permission Denied" error on the "mkdir" command. Is there something I'm overlooking?

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Bradley Baumann <bradley at bestweb.net>
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions

> Sorry, I saw your question and your lack of luck with someone's 
> code - I
> didn't read the rest of the posts just because I'm in a rush right 
> now, but
> I figured I'd give you the code I used when I needed to make a 
> directorythat I could upload to.
> 
> function new_projectdir($project_name)
> {
> $old_mask = umask();
> umask(0000);
> chdir('/directory/whatever/');
> mkdir($project_name, 0770);
> umask($old_mask);
> return 1;
> }
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
> 
> 
> >
> > --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > > Hans,
> > >
> > > What would you suggest for a set of pages that use a set of 
> pics that
> the
> > > end user can upload?
> >
> > If you're looking for a picture gallery option, then 
> http://gallery.sf.netis
> > probably your best bet.  It requires Apache writable directories and
> > safe_mode=off (PSaw may be able to expand on this, since he 
> implmented it
> for
> > NYPHP.org).  This isn't inherently insecure, but a shared 
> environment and
> a
> > clever malicious user, may be food for thought.
> >
> > > Should I upload them (the pics) into a database as blobs?
> >
> > This certainly is the 'cleanest' option; but performance could 
> be a
> > consideration, especially for large images.
> >
> > Having apache writable directories isn't always a bad thing, but 
> if you
> end
> > up writing the code yourself, just be very careful with paths 
> and such.
> >
> > H
> >
> >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
> > > Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:20 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > >
> > > > --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > > > > I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning
> > > > PHP...I'm> scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a code snippet:
> > > > >
> > > > > //create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist,
> > > > chmod to 777
> > > > > if(!is_dir($id)) {
> > > > >     $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
> > > > >     $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
> > > > >     mkdir($id,0777);
> > > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Note that the is_dir($id) call isn't nessecarily checking 
> the dir
> > > > you think
> > > > it is.
> > > >
> > > > > The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory
> > > > "pic_test" to
> > > > > 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly 
> change the
> > > > > permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form,
> > > > then change
> > > > > the permissions back to 755.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming you're running PHP as an Apache module, you'll be 
> limited> > > to the
> > > > user priveleges of Apache itself.  While in most cases this is
> > > > good, for
> > > > writing to the filesystem things can get hairy.
> > > >
> > > > For one, you won't be able to change the permissions of a
> > > > directory/file you
> > > > don't own (read: apache's running user doesn't own).  So, trying
> > > > to change
> > > > the permissions from less-restrictive to more-restrictive
> > > > 'quickly' is a moot
> > > > point, since if a malicious page is written, he'd just 
> change the
> > > > perms if
> > > > desired anyway.
> > > >
> > > > It's a catch-22 (as it should be) and is only solvable by having
> > > > properownership (or improper ownership, depending on your
> > > > viewpoint), suEXEC
> > > > (achtung!) or a daemon to handle file operations.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > H
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Apr 20 01:35:26 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:35:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
Message-ID: <413db45700.45700413db@optonline.net>

I'm going to check out that option.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Snyder <chris at psydeshow.org>
Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions

> jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> 
> >The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory 
> "pic_test" to 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to 
> quickly change the permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures 
> with my form, then change the permissions back to 755.
> >
> >Thoughts/comments greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >  
> >
> Jeff-- a couple people have suggested solutions to this that 
> involve 
> giving the Apache user write-permission on the directory, which is 
> traditionally the way to handle uploaded files.
> 
> I'd like to point out that there is another, and I believe better 
> way, 
> but it requires you to recompile PHP with the FTP functions 
> enabled. 
> After uploading the file, you FTP it to the directory where you 
> want it 
> to go. This has the added benefit of making the files owned by you 
> instead of by nobody, meaning you can edit or delete them later.
> 
> If this is something you want to try, check out Fiatlux: 
> http://fiatlux.chxo.com
> It uses this method to enable web users to create directories and 
> upload 
> files that can also be admin'd via FTP.
> 
>    chris.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From bradley at bestweb.net  Sun Apr 20 21:10:21 2003
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:10:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
References: <200304200503.h3K53YsB032674@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002a01c307a2$c7df1c50$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Show us the code you're using...
Its obviously a permissions issue.. perhaps its the user that apache is
running under?

You might need to have a shell, if you do -- try chowning the directory that
you're creating the directory in so that you have permissions...

-Brad.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions


> Bradley,
>
> Thanks so the suggestion. The problem is that I get a "Permission Denied"
error on the "mkdir" command. Is there something I'm overlooking?
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bradley Baumann <bradley at bestweb.net>
> Date: Saturday, April 19, 2003 10:23 am
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
>
> > Sorry, I saw your question and your lack of luck with someone's
> > code - I
> > didn't read the rest of the posts just because I'm in a rush right
> > now, but
> > I figured I'd give you the code I used when I needed to make a
> > directorythat I could upload to.
> >
> > function new_projectdir($project_name)
> > {
> > $old_mask = umask();
> > umask(0000);
> > chdir('/directory/whatever/');
> > mkdir($project_name, 0770);
> > umask($old_mask);
> > return 1;
> > }
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > > > Hans,
> > > >
> > > > What would you suggest for a set of pages that use a set of
> > pics that
> > the
> > > > end user can upload?
> > >
> > > If you're looking for a picture gallery option, then
> > http://gallery.sf.netis
> > > probably your best bet.  It requires Apache writable directories and
> > > safe_mode=off (PSaw may be able to expand on this, since he
> > implmented it
> > for
> > > NYPHP.org).  This isn't inherently insecure, but a shared
> > environment and
> > a
> > > clever malicious user, may be food for thought.
> > >
> > > > Should I upload them (the pics) into a database as blobs?
> > >
> > > This certainly is the 'cleanest' option; but performance could
> > be a
> > > consideration, especially for large images.
> > >
> > > Having apache writable directories isn't always a bad thing, but
> > if you
> > end
> > > up writing the code yourself, just be very careful with paths
> > and such.
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
> > > > Date: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:20 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting directory permissions
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > --- jsiegel1 at optonline.net wrote:
> > > > > > I'm sure this is an easy one but...since I'm still learning
> > > > > PHP...I'm> scratching my poor bald head. ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's a code snippet:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > //create new directory with the id name if it doesn't exist,
> > > > > chmod to 777
> > > > > > if(!is_dir($id)) {
> > > > > >     $root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
> > > > > >     $id = $root . '/pic_test/' . $id;
> > > > > >     mkdir($id,0777);
> > > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that the is_dir($id) call isn't nessecarily checking
> > the dir
> > > > > you think
> > > > > it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The problem is...this only works if I chmod the subdirectory
> > > > > "pic_test" to
> > > > > > 777 using my FTP application. However, I want to quickly
> > change the
> > > > > > permissions via PHP code, upload some pictures with my form,
> > > > > then change
> > > > > > the permissions back to 755.
> > > > >
> > > > > Assuming you're running PHP as an Apache module, you'll be
> > limited> > > to the
> > > > > user priveleges of Apache itself.  While in most cases this is
> > > > > good, for
> > > > > writing to the filesystem things can get hairy.
> > > > >
> > > > > For one, you won't be able to change the permissions of a
> > > > > directory/file you
> > > > > don't own (read: apache's running user doesn't own).  So, trying
> > > > > to change
> > > > > the permissions from less-restrictive to more-restrictive
> > > > > 'quickly' is a moot
> > > > > point, since if a malicious page is written, he'd just
> > change the
> > > > > perms if
> > > > > desired anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a catch-22 (as it should be) and is only solvable by having
> > > > > properownership (or improper ownership, depending on your
> > > > > viewpoint), suEXEC
> > > > > (achtung!) or a daemon to handle file operations.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH,
> > > > >
> > > > > H
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>




From ophir at prusak.com  Mon Apr 21 09:37:17 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:37:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques
References: <200304111822.h3BILaK1089061@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <035501c3080b$209bcdd0$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

Sorry for the late reply, I just got back from vacation.

I've been involved in a fair amount of search engine related projects and
have dealt with all of what you're talking about.

I have no idea what size of data they are talking about, how much traffic
you have to support and what their budget is,
but any searching beyond exact pattern matching requires strict client
expectation management.
You can get products that will do anything you'd ever want for 5 digit
figures, but I'm guessing that's beyond their budget.

Depending on their budget and how important it really is to them (broken
down by specific features) and how much work they're willing to do on their
side, I could give you some more advice.

For just the spell checking, using pspell (as Sterling suggested) could fit
the bill.

 ophir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Armendariz" <nyphp at enobrev.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advanced Search Techniques


> I just pulled in a gig (finally).  They are building a literary
> reference guide.
>
> Well, while planning they hit me with something I'm not too versed in.
> They want to eventually have something they called "fingerprint"
> searching.  The term alone meant nothing to me (beyond the obvious -
> which google agreed with).
>
> Basically it has something to do with using synonyms and misspellings
> and all types of other fun algorithms to find what a user is looking
> for.  Does anyone hear have any experience with such things, or maybe
> know where to look?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>




From georgenatalino at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 12:53:49 2003
From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (George Natalino)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Local Business Events
Message-ID: <20030421165350.61924.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com>


Note: forwarded message attached.


=====
================================================
Regards
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georgenatalino at yahoo.com

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo
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From epistemo101 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 22 02:00:03 2003
From: epistemo101 at hotmail.com (Epistemo *IQ*)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:00:03 -0400
Subject: survey's
Message-ID: <BAY7-DAV45R0rmTIVvL0000239f@hotmail.com>

Hey guys and girls,

Got a simple yet complicated question. here
I have to launch 4 surveys, which any user on a mailing list can access only once per survey.
survey1 - survey2 - survey3 - survey4
The amount of time these surveys will be online is two months.
So if the user has filled out survey1 he can only go to 2,3 or 4 ... etc.
The mailing will direct the user to one of the 4, per mailing list.

Now the surveys are done ... wrote the code ... did the Oracle thingy, etc. 
But what would be the best way to make sure that the users will only enter one of each survey's?
I know the cookie issue is not 100% so I was looking into alternatives, but if it is gonna  be cookies ...
well ... so be it . These surveys are going to get hit hard since the mailing lists contain around 3 
million users per survey/mailing. And these surveys are not cached so I can't put to much stress on the
boxes.

If anyone has any ideas ... or has done this in the past and was fairly successful. Let me know.
And ... if anyone has any code snippets that can do the job, please let me know ... or maybe post it,
since it is one of those rush jobs (what's new), that marketing wants in day. 

Arno ....
(From a different email since I'm off-site)

Thx in advanced.


PS: 

Hans, 

We really need a seconday NYPHP location in the CT region, since I can never make any of the meetings 
due to travel time ... and I bet I'm not the only one. I'll swing by later this week or so...
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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Tue Apr 22 02:15:44 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:15:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] survey's
In-Reply-To: <200304220555.h3M5t3tl079398@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <007901c30896$9c5a3520$e1951d18@enobrev>

Well, if it's everyone on a mailing list, then each person should have
their own email address, so they should be able to enter their email
address as part of the survey (or as a pre-login) and you could track it
like so.  Possible?

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Epistemo *IQ* [mailto:epistemo101 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] survey's


Hey guys and girls,

Got a simple yet complicated question. here
I have to launch 4 surveys, which any user on a mailing list can access
only once per survey. survey1 - survey2 - survey3 - survey4 The amount
of time these surveys will be online is two months. So if the user has
filled out survey1 he can only go to 2,3 or 4 ... etc. The mailing will
direct the user to one of the 4, per mailing list.

Now the surveys are done ... wrote the code ... did the Oracle thingy,
etc. 
But what would be the best way to make sure that the users will only
enter one of each survey's? I know the cookie issue is not 100% so I was
looking into alternatives, but if it is gonna  be cookies ... well ...
so be it . These surveys are going to get hit hard since the mailing
lists contain around 3 
million users per survey/mailing. And these surveys are not cached so I
can't put to much stress on the boxes.

If anyone has any ideas ... or has done this in the past and was fairly
successful. Let me know. And ... if anyone has any code snippets that
can do the job, please let me know ... or maybe post it, since it is one
of those rush jobs (what's new), that marketing wants in day. 

Arno ....
(From a different email since I'm off-site)

Thx in advanced.


PS: 

Hans, 

We really need a seconday NYPHP location in the CT region, since I can
never make any of the meetings 
due to travel time ... and I bet I'm not the only one. I'll swing by
later this week or so...



--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---








From Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com  Tue Apr 22 08:19:05 2003
From: Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com (Vanmosel, Arno)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:19:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] survey's
Message-ID: <7101D732D17CD311AEFF00508B55857203F72C9F@nt-exch.tower2>

Yeah Mark,

That thought crossed my mind, marketing is using a third party company to
these mailings, and they can't insert even a normal id as reference. So I'm
basically working with a non-referrer and no data. And yes ... I told the 
marketing department that we might as well do these mailings from within the
company since that would make my life easier. But ... well ... we all know
how these people think. (do they actually think?)

I wrote this email last night and I'm starting to write a simple cookie
procedure and ad this to the submit button of the surveys. (Just in case
nobody can help me ... hehe)

Made a spelling booboo last night. 
We really need a seconday NYPHP location in the CT region ..---
Should be:
We really need a secondary NYPHP location in the CT region ..---


Arno


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:16 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] survey's


Well, if it's everyone on a mailing list, then each person should have
their own email address, so they should be able to enter their email
address as part of the survey (or as a pre-login) and you could track it
like so.  Possible?

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Epistemo *IQ* [mailto:epistemo101 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] survey's


Hey guys and girls,

Got a simple yet complicated question. here
I have to launch 4 surveys, which any user on a mailing list can access
only once per survey. survey1 - survey2 - survey3 - survey4 The amount
of time these surveys will be online is two months. So if the user has
filled out survey1 he can only go to 2,3 or 4 ... etc. The mailing will
direct the user to one of the 4, per mailing list.

Now the surveys are done ... wrote the code ... did the Oracle thingy,
etc. 
But what would be the best way to make sure that the users will only
enter one of each survey's? I know the cookie issue is not 100% so I was
looking into alternatives, but if it is gonna  be cookies ... well ...
so be it . These surveys are going to get hit hard since the mailing
lists contain around 3 
million users per survey/mailing. And these surveys are not cached so I
can't put to much stress on the boxes.

If anyone has any ideas ... or has done this in the past and was fairly
successful. Let me know. And ... if anyone has any code snippets that
can do the job, please let me know ... or maybe post it, since it is one
of those rush jobs (what's new), that marketing wants in day. 

Arno ....
(From a different email since I'm off-site)

Thx in advanced.


PS: 

Hans, 

We really need a seconday NYPHP location in the CT region, since I can
never make any of the meetings 
due to travel time ... and I bet I'm not the only one. I'll swing by
later this week or so...












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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Tue Apr 22 13:40:28 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:40:28 -0400
Subject: Setting up permissions on Apache 2.0.45 with Win2K and Virtual Host
Message-ID: <269620-22003422217402859@M2W082.mail2web.com>

A friend of mine wants to know the answer to this, and since my Apache
setup on Win2K doesn't involve virtual host domains, I couldn't help him. 
Anyone out there might know?

Thanx

quick question about the apache on win2K :
I can't access the cgi-bin folder...

here's the setup:

d:\\www\\apache\\apache2\\htdocs\\downtown\\cgi-bin (for the client)
d:\\www\\apache\\apache2\\cgi-bin

virtual host runs into the downtown-folder. both cgi-bin folders have
.htaccess in it, but when i open the browser i get he message:

http://virtualhost/cgi-bin/
forbidden, you don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/ on this server

<= i assume that that's why I can't run the scripts either...

any suggestions ???


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From ian at plusfour.org  Tue Apr 22 15:13:32 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:13:32 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting up permissions on Apache 2.0.45 with Win2K and Virtual Host
In-Reply-To: <200304221743.h3MHg30X092691@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <82461622-74F6-11D7-ABCF-003065778656@plusfour.org>



On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 10:42 AM, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:

> A friend of mine wants to know the answer to this, and since my Apache
> setup on Win2K doesn't involve virtual host domains, I couldn't help 
> him.
> Anyone out there might know?
>
> Thanx
>
> quick question about the apache on win2K :
> I can't access the cgi-bin folder...

You need to add ScriptAlias to the httpd.conf and some directory 
parameters..

Do a search in your existing httpd.conf file for ScriptAlias. I have 
copied config info from my httpd.conf, I am running 1.3.27 version of 
apache.

>
> here's the setup:
>
> d:\\www\\apache\\apache2\\htdocs\\downtown\\cgi-bin (for the client)

I am just guessing, but the virtual host should look something like.. 
Just add the ScriptAlias info into the virtual host tags

<VirtualHost downtown.com>
DocumentRoot "d:/www/apache/apache2/htdocs/downtown"
ServerName "downtown.com"


     # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server 
scripts.
     # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
     # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications 
and
     # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to 
the client.
     # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives 
as to
     # Alias.
     #
     ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ 
"d:/www/apache/apache2/htdocs/downtown/cgi-bin"

     # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
     #
     <Directory "d:/www/apache/apache2/htdocs/downtown/cgi-bin">
         AllowOverride None
         Options None
         Order allow,deny
         Allow from all
     </Directory>
</VirtualHost>

> d:\\www\\apache\\apache2\\cgi-bin

This would be the default server config info. If you did not added the 
ScriptAlias Directive to the VirtualHost, any 
http://servername/cgi-bin/ will resolve to the default server config.

     # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server 
scripts.
     # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
     # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications 
and
     # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to 
the client.
     # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives 
as to
     # Alias.
     #
     ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "d:/www/apache/apache2/cgi-bin"

     # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
     #
     <Directory "d:/www/apache/apache2/cgi-bin">
         AllowOverride None
         Options None
         Order allow,deny
         Allow from all
     </Directory>

note the forward slashes..
>
> virtual host runs into the downtown-folder. both cgi-bin folders have
> htaccess in it, but when i open the browser i get he message:
>
> http://virtualhost/cgi-bin/
> forbidden, you don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/ on this server
>
> <= i assume that that's why I can't run the scripts either...
>
> any suggestions ???
>
>
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From kesz1 at sourcecodecentral.com  Thu Apr 24 10:28:24 2003
From: kesz1 at sourcecodecentral.com (Michael E Keszkowski)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:28:24 -0400
Subject: PHP Storing Query
Message-ID: <000801c30a6d$c45c1d30$46f9943f@michaelk>

Hello;

I am adding a web (using php) interface to an existing MS Access database application.  Currently, databse is stored on a network drive and 10+ users query/update records daily.  Because some people cannot handle change very well (never mind a computer related change)  I would like to keep the existence database application and slowly migrate the users over to the web.

My problem is, the application was developed very poorly.  I need to know if I can (and how to) create a query online and save that query (sql statement) in the access database as a query itself.

thanks,

-- mike
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From dorgan at optonline.net  Thu Apr 24 10:43:08 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:43:08 -0400
Subject: Authentication
References: <200304241438.h3OEc6vL039179@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c30a6f$d34a10c0$09010064@dorganmobile>

Does anyone know of any tutorials that would show me how to do
authentication against a windows .NET server or a windows 2000 server??



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Apr 25 09:08:36 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:08:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query
Message-ID: <71a765f7.65f771a7@optonline.net>

Mike,

Not sure if you got a response to this (I'm on vacation using a crummy dial-up connection so it's hard for me to check email) but the short answer to your question is you should be able to store the query in the Access database. However, I'm not sure if you can do it using PHP (I assume if you're asking the question here you are using PHP) so you may have to use ASP (Active Server Pages). I would be surprised if PHP's ODBC support allows you to create a query and store it in the MS Access database.

I've used ASP against an MS Access database but have not explored the capabilities of writing queries to the MDB file. 

Jeff
P.S. If you did a Google search concerning this particular problem, most of the code you'll find...though it is likely to refer to directly to MS Access...you can port it over to ASP with only a few modifications.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael E Keszkowski <kesz1 at sourcecodecentral.com>
Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:28 am
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query

> Hello;
> 
> I am adding a web (using php) interface to an existing MS Access 
> database application.  Currently, databse is stored on a network 
> drive and 10+ users query/update records daily.  Because some 
> people cannot handle change very well (never mind a computer 
> related change)  I would like to keep the existence database 
> application and slowly migrate the users over to the web.
> 
> My problem is, the application was developed very poorly.  I need 
> to know if I can (and how to) create a query online and save that 
> query (sql statement) in the access database as a query itself.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -- mike
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Fri Apr 25 10:22:28 2003
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:22:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903390B392@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

I'm not sure what you are are trying to do with storing  queries in a
database, but I think you mean storing query strings into a table.

If your queries are simple without any conditions, then this is a
strightforward matter of merely storing the text of the query as a string
value in an appropriate table structure. a query like "select * from foo"
should be easy to handle.

Most likely though, you have conditions and have queries that use a
condition, i.e., "select * from foo where bar=$bar" The question is whether
or not you want to store the query string before or after evaluating the
value of $bar.  It should be doable either way.

The issues you will face if this along the lines of what you want to do is
properly escaping the data to allow Access to accept your data and using the
PHP eval() function to allow embedded variables returned in a string from
the database to be interpreted as variables and not merely part of a string.

Again, I am not sure what you hope to gain by doing this, as you may find
better answers if you present your need or issue rather than asking for help
with a solution.

I use both ASP and PHP, and for me PHP is so much more capable (especially
under a *nix), I would stick with PHP and perhaps consider migrating your
data to a better DB like mysql or Postgres. Postgres supports views which
may be the db function you are trying to emulate?

Hope this helps.

Mike


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael E Keszkowski <kesz1 at sourcecodecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:28 am
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query
> 
> > Hello;
> > 
> > I am adding a web (using php) interface to an existing MS Access 
> > database application.  Currently, databse is stored on a network 
> > drive and 10+ users query/update records daily.  Because some 
> > people cannot handle change very well (never mind a computer 
> > related change)  I would like to keep the existence database 
> > application and slowly migrate the users over to the web.
> > 
> > My problem is, the application was developed very poorly.  I need 
> > to know if I can (and how to) create a query online and save that 
> > query (sql statement) in the access database as a query itself.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > -- mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 


From dsexton at ubspw.com  Fri Apr 25 16:23:47 2003
From: dsexton at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:23:47 -0400
Subject: Windows Command Line
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789DB5@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

Hi everyone,
 
I'm having trouble running a script from the command line on WINNT4.0 - The
script runs fine via HTTP requests, but when I try to execute the same
script via the command line, a MSSQL connection fails. There is also an ODBC
connection to an Access DB that seems to connect fine, but for some reason
the MSSQL connection will not happen.
 
I thought about permissions, but I don't see what the difference would be
since the script partially executes. The script passes the SQL
username/password to the DB server, so I can't see that being it either.
Anybody have any ideas?
 
Thanks.


From shiflett at php.net  Fri Apr 25 16:29:55 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Windows Command Line
In-Reply-To: <200304252025.h3PKO21F071988@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030425202955.93366.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Sexton, David" <dsexton at ubspw.com> wrote:
> I'm having trouble running a script from the command line on WINNT4.0
> - The script runs fine via HTTP requests, but when I try to execute
> the same script via the command line, a MSSQL connection fails.

When you run from the command line, there are a few things that might be
different:

1. Different user. I know very little about Windows, but I think it might only
have the root user, so this might not be an issue for you.
2. Different environment. Even if you're executing the script as the same user,
your environment may be different. For example, many databases (Oracle, for
example) have environment variables that indicate where the client libraries
reside.

Hope that gives you some ideas. Someone more familiar with Windows can probably
help you more.

Chris


From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri Apr 25 17:17:44 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:17:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Windows Command Line
In-Reply-To: <200304252030.h3PKTv0p072788@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304252030.h3PKTv0p072788@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EA9A5F8.4080301@psydeshow.org>

Chris Shiflett wrote:

>--- "Sexton, David" <dsexton at ubspw.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm having trouble running a script from the command line on WINNT4.0
>>- The script runs fine via HTTP requests, but when I try to execute
>>the same script via the command line, a MSSQL connection fails.
>>    
>>
>
>When you run from the command line, there are a few things that might be
>different:
>
>1. Different user. I know very little about Windows, but I think it might only
>have the root user, so this might not be an issue for you.
>2. Different environment. Even if you're executing the script as the same user,
>your environment may be different. For example, many databases (Oracle, for
>example) have environment variables that indicate where the client libraries
>reside.
>
>  
>
3. Different executable, without mssql support?



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sat Apr 26 09:19:24 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (jsiegel1 at optonline.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:19:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query
Message-ID: <18d2c19ac9.19ac918d2c@optonline.net>

I thought he wanted to store the query as a query (as opposed to just storing the SQL in a table). I've probably got too much MS Access on the brain. ;)

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "DeWitt, Michael" <mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com>
Date: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:22 am
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query

> I'm not sure what you are are trying to do with storing  queries 
> in a
> database, but I think you mean storing query strings into a table.
> 
> If your queries are simple without any conditions, then this is a
> strightforward matter of merely storing the text of the query as a 
> stringvalue in an appropriate table structure. a query like 
> "select * from foo"
> should be easy to handle.
> 
> Most likely though, you have conditions and have queries that use a
> condition, i.e., "select * from foo where bar=$bar" The question 
> is whether
> or not you want to store the query string before or after 
> evaluating the
> value of $bar.  It should be doable either way.
> 
> The issues you will face if this along the lines of what you want 
> to do is
> properly escaping the data to allow Access to accept your data and 
> using the
> PHP eval() function to allow embedded variables returned in a 
> string from
> the database to be interpreted as variables and not merely part of 
> a string.
> 
> Again, I am not sure what you hope to gain by doing this, as you 
> may find
> better answers if you present your need or issue rather than 
> asking for help
> with a solution.
> 
> I use both ASP and PHP, and for me PHP is so much more capable 
> (especiallyunder a *nix), I would stick with PHP and perhaps 
> consider migrating your
> data to a better DB like mysql or Postgres. Postgres supports 
> views which
> may be the db function you are trying to emulate?
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael E Keszkowski <kesz1 at sourcecodecentral.com>
> > Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:28 am
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Storing Query
> > 
> > > Hello;
> > > 
> > > I am adding a web (using php) interface to an existing MS 
> Access 
> > > database application.  Currently, databse is stored on a 
> network 
> > > drive and 10+ users query/update records daily.  Because some 
> > > people cannot handle change very well (never mind a computer 
> > > related change)  I would like to keep the existence database 
> > > application and slowly migrate the users over to the web.
> > > 
> > > My problem is, the application was developed very poorly.  I 
> need 
> > > to know if I can (and how to) create a query online and save 
> that 
> > > query (sql statement) in the access database as a query itself.
> > > 
> > > thanks,
> > > 
> > > -- mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From lush22 at winstarmail.com  Mon Apr 28 11:04:52 2003
From: lush22 at winstarmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:04:52 -0400
Subject: Sterling Hughes's 7 mistakes talk: visitation
Message-ID: <C3AD1B39-798A-11D7-8042-000393B9FB36@winstarmail.com>

At the "Con" Sterling Hughes gave a talk on 7 mistakes. Does anyone 
know where I can find more information about that "Visitation" data 
structure he was talking about?


Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
888/852-8508
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Mon Apr 28 11:15:55 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:15:55 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sterling Hughes's 7 mistakes talk: visitation
References: <200304281505.h3SF4sw1044438@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000801c30d99$116e3b20$0200000a@Pentium700>

yes,

right here...


http://www.zend.com/zend/art/



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Knight" <lush22 at winstarmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sterling Hughes's 7 mistakes talk: visitation


At the "Con" Sterling Hughes gave a talk on 7 mistakes. Does anyone 
know where I can find more information about that "Visitation" data 
structure he was talking about?


Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
888/852-8508
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



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From sterling at bumblebury.com  Mon Apr 28 10:56:45 2003
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: 28 Apr 2003 10:56:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sterling Hughes's 7 mistakes talk: visitation
In-Reply-To: <200304281506.h3SF4s0h044438@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304281506.h3SF4s0h044438@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1051541805.24822.83.camel@hasele>

On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 11:04, Jeff Knight wrote:
> At the "Con" Sterling Hughes gave a talk on 7 mistakes. Does anyone 
> know where I can find more information about that "Visitation" data 
> structure he was talking about?
> 

http://talks.php.net/show/top7-nyc/

-Sterling

> 
> Jeff Knight
> jeff at lushmedia.com
> 212/213-6558 x 203
> 888/852-8508
> LUSH media
> 110 W 40th St #1502
> New York, NY 10018
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
-- 
"Reductionists like to take things apart.  The rest of us are 
 just trying to get it together." 
    - Larry Wall, Programming Perl, 3rd Edition



From lush22 at winstarmail.com  Mon Apr 28 14:36:38 2003
From: lush22 at winstarmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:36:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sterling Hughes's 7 mistakes talk: visitation
In-Reply-To: <200304281620.h3SGJbBB001243@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <58EB568E-79A8-11D7-8042-000393B9FB36@winstarmail.com>

During the talk Sterling Hughes mentioned that there were 
algorithms/examples/more detail online about defining the left & right 
values, and redefining them when inserting/deleting a node. That's what 
I'm interested in...

On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 12:19  PM, Sterling Hughes wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 11:04, Jeff Knight wrote:
>> At the "Con" Sterling Hughes gave a talk on 7 mistakes. Does anyone
>> know where I can find more information about that "Visitation" data
>> structure he was talking about?
>>
>
> http://talks.php.net/show/top7-nyc/
>
> -Sterling
>
>>
>> Jeff Knight
>> jeff at lushmedia.com
>> 212/213-6558 x 203
>> 888/852-8508
>> LUSH media
>> 110 W 40th St #1502
>> New York, NY 10018
>>
>>
>>
>>
> -- 
> "Reductionists like to take things apart.  The rest of us are
>  just trying to get it together."
>     - Larry Wall, Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
888/852-8508
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From sterling at bumblebury.com  Mon Apr 28 13:18:12 2003
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: 28 Apr 2003 13:18:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sterling Hughes's 7 mistakes talk: visitation
In-Reply-To: <200304281837.h3SIahDN014368@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304281837.h3SIahDN014368@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1051550292.25677.228.camel@hasele>

On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 14:36, Jeff Knight wrote:
> During the talk Sterling Hughes mentioned that there were 
> algorithms/examples/more detail online about defining the left & right 
> values, and redefining them when inserting/deleting a node. That's what 
> I'm interested in...

Hmm.  Well, having attended the talk (although, I must admit I didn't
pay very much attention), I believe what Sterling Hughes said was that
there is PEAR's Tree class, available online at http://pear.php.net/. 
The Tree class will manage visitation for you.

-Sterling
-- 
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,  
 then they fight you, then you win."  
    - Gandhi



From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Apr 29 11:21:20 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NYPHP Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <20030429152120.91631.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


Good morning,

My apologies for the mailing list troubles of late.  While I'm anxious to get
the current system offline and upgraded, I've hacked in some temporary
precautions to prevent the mail loops we've seen.  Hopefully, this will catch
illconfigured vacation responders, email clients, and forwarders.  However,
if you should notice any future loops, contact me ASAP at zaunere at yahoo.com
or hans at nyu.edu

Lastly, all mail to both the Talk and Dev mailing lists within the last 24
hours has been lost.  If you had sent a lengthy message, let me know and I
can probably dig it up; but please do repost your messages.  I'll also be
standing by to monitor potential mail loops.

Best regards,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Apr 29 16:02:14 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Reminder: UNIGROUP FIELD TRIP MEETING: 01-MAY-2003 AT HP
Message-ID: <20030429200214.15727.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


This might be fun, if just to see a lot of sweet hardware.  I'm going to try
to make it, so if anyone wants to join me, let me know (be sure to RSVP, per
below).

Hans


--- Unigroup_of_NY <unilist at unigroup.org> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Unigroup_of_NY <unilist at unigroup.org>
> To: zaunere at yahoo.com
> Subject: Reminder: UNIGROUP FIELD TRIP MEETING: 01-MAY-2003 AT HP
> 
> 
> Reminder Announcement...
> 
> **NOTE: SPECIAL FIELD TRIP MEETING, AND ON A SPECIAL DATE...
> **NOTE: SPECIAL FIELD TRIP MEETING, AND ON A SPECIAL DATE...
> 
> =============================================
> UNIGROUP OF NEW YORK APRIL 2003 ANNOUNCEMENTS
> =============================================
> 
>    --------------------------------------------------
> 1. UNIGROUP'S APRIL 2003 GENERAL MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT
>    --------------------------------------------------
> 
>       When:  Thursday, May 1st, 2003  (Yes, April Meeting on May 1st)
> 
>      Where:  Hewlett Packard
>              NY Metro Office
>              2 Penn Plaza             <==(ONE-TIME FIELD TRIP MEETING)
>              On 7th Ave, Spanning 31st to 33rd.
>              8th floor
>              Midtown, NYC
>              Tel: 212-856-2000
>              **********************************************
>              YOU MUST RSVP TO GET PAST SECURITY, SEE BELOW!
>              **********************************************
> 
>       Time:  6:00 PM - 6:15 PM  Registration
>              6:15 PM - 6:30 PM  Unigroup Business, Q&A
>              6:30 PM - 6:55 PM  Tour of HP's Systems Demo Room
>              6:55 PM - 8:00 PM  Main Presentation
> 
>              ----------------------------------------------------
>      Topic:  UNIX TECHNOLOGY UPDATE:
>              64-bit Hardware (including Itanium),
>              64-bit Unix/Linux Operating Systems,
>              Partition Technologies: Hard and Soft Partitions.
>              ----------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Speaker:  Marty Poniatowski,
>              HP  <http://www.hp.com>
> 
> 
>    Introduction:
>    -------------
> 
>    Note that this meeting is a Field Trip Meeting at HP's
>    facilities.  This meeting also is on a special day and has
>    different starting and ending times.  The schedule of
>    times listed above is subject to change, as we re-allocate
>    our schedule between registration, systems demos and main
>    presentation.
> 
>    Also note, in addition to this Field Trip meeting, we still
>    expect to hold our regularly scheduled May 15th meeting, at
>    our normal meeting location.  The April meeting wound up slipping
>    into May due a variety of reasons, which include: avoiding
>    tax time, various holidays and speaker/facility unavailability.
> 
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS:
>    ---------------------
> 
>    * IN ORDER TO PASS THROUGH SECURITY, WE NEED YOU TO RSVP
>    * PRIOR TO THE MEETING DAY, SO WE CAN GET YOUR NAME ON THE ATTENDEE
>    * LIST.  ADVANCE REGISTRATION AND PHOTO ID ARE REQUIRED!
>    * RSVP DEADLINE 30-APR-2003 16:00.  <<<< PAY ATTENTION, DEADLINE!
>    * Keep an eye out on the deadline date and time, as it may change.
> 
>    Please RSVP if you know you are attending or if you think you may
>    be attending.  This will help us arrange for a letter to security
>    for all of Unigroup.  It will also help us to determine the correct
>    amount of food and refreshments.
> 
>    To REGISTER for this event, please RSVP by:
> 
>    a) If at all possible, please use the Unigroup Registration Page:
>          http://www.unigroup.org/unigroup-rsvp.html
>       This will allow us to have some automation in the RSVP process.
> 
>    b) If you must Email us, send an EMail containing the FIRST and
>       LAST NAMEs of the persons attending to the Unigroup RSVP
>       address:
>          unigroup-rsvp at unigroup.org
>       The Email subject should start with "RSVP".
>       You may optionally include your contact phone number (that
>       day) or other current information.
> 
>       DO NOT simply reply to this Email, sending us back the entire
>       announcement (we already have it); leaving the subject as it
>       was, and NOT containing the phrase "RSVP" as requested.  In
>       that case, your message just looks like failed mail and it
>       makes it impossible to automate the RSVP process and get
>       you registered for our event.
> 
>       ALSO: Do NOT give us an Email address which is over quota,
>       cannot receive any new Email, or which requires our automated
>       shell scripts to respond in some manner to YOUR InBox's
>       anti-spam efforts which try to confirm that our shell scripts
>       are human beings.  All of this causes us to receive bounces
>       from your address when we send out the RSVP-ACKs, which will
>       cause us to remove your address from our lists.
>       You must have a working and valid Email address in order
>       to get on the Unigroup Meeting Attendee List, which will
>       grant you access to our meetings.  Be sure to proof-read
>       your Email address before submitting the RSVP request.
> 
>    Please continue to check the Unigroup web site:
>         http://www.unigroup.org
>    for any last minute updates concerning this meeting.  Please
>    check your Email for any last minute announcements prior to the
>    meeting.  Note that only the Attendee First and Last Names will
>    be provided to Security.
> 
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Description of Talk:
>    --------------------
> 
>    Prior to the main presentation, we are arranging a guided tour
>    of HP's Systems Demo Room, where we can see and learn about
>    HP's State-of-the-Art technology solutions for Unix/Linux
>    Computing, Networking and Data Storage (SANS, etc).
>    Tom Mendolia, HP's storage Solution Architect, will be at our
>    meeting to show HP's storage products and to answer questions.
> 
>    Marty Poniatowski's main presentation will be a UNIX
>    Technology Overview, covering some of the latest advancements
>    in 64-bit Hardware and Software, including:
>      - 64-bit Hardware (including Itanium),
>      - 64-bit Unix/Linux Operating Systems,
>      - Partition Technologies: Hard and Soft Partitions.
> 
>    Keep an eye on the meeting page at our web site for further
>    updates.
> 
>    Web Resources:
>    --------------
> 
>    HP Unix                 http://www.hp.com/go/unix
>    HP Linux                http://www.hp.com/go/linux
> 
>    Giveaways:
>    ----------
> 
>    O'Reilly has been kind enough to provide us with some of their
>    books, which we will raffle off as giveaways at our meetings.
>    (I received a nice collection of Python books right after our
>    Python meeting - Thanks O'Reilly).  There may possibly be some
>    other giveaways from HP as well.
> 
>    Speaker Biography:
>    ------------------
> 
>    Marty has been a Technical consultant with Hewlett-Packard
>    Company for fourteen years in the New York area.  He has worked
>    with hundreds of Hewlett Packard customers in many industries,
>    including Internet startups, financial services, and
>    manufacturing.  Marty has been widely published in computer
>    industry trade publications.
> 
>    He has published over 50 articles on various computer-related
>    topics.  In addition to this book, he is the author of 13 other
>    Prentice Hall books: Marty holds an M.S. in Information
>    Systems from Polytechnic University (Brooklyn, NY), an M.S. in
>    Management Engineering from the University of Bridgeport
>    (Bridgeport, CT), and a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from
>    Roger Williams University (Bristol, RI).
> 
>    Company Biography:
>    ------------------
> 
>    HP information can be found at http://www.hp.com.
> 
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Fee Schedule:
>          Yearly Membership (includes all meetings):      $ 50.00
>        * Non-Member Single Meeting:                      $ 20.00
>          Student Yearly Membership:                      $ 20.00
>          Non-Member Student Single Meeting (with ID):    $  5.00
>          Payment Methods: Cash, Check, American Express.
> 
>        * Employees of JPM/Chase (with ID) can attend general
>          meetings at NO CHARGE.
> 
>     ==>  Unigroup is the Greater NYC Regional Area Affiliate
>          of UniForum - an International Unix Users Group.
>          Our Joint Membership Program with UniForum is currently
>          on hold due to circumstances at UniForum.  For information
>          about UniForum visit http://www.uniforum.org.
> 
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Complimentary Food and Refreshments will be served.
>    HP will be sponsoring and providing the food.
> 
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Directions:
> 
>      Two Penn Plaza is in Midtown, NYC, on 7th Avenue, spanning
>      31st-33nd Streets.  Penn Station is below, and this building
>      is convenient to other subways as well- the south exits for
>      the 34th street stations let out on 32nd street.  Once on
>      32nd Street, it is a quick 1 block walk West, directly to the
>      main entrance of this building.  If you see the taxi stand
>      in front of the building, you'll know that you are in the
>      right place.
> 
>      There are two guard/security stations on the 7th Avenue side
>      of the building.  One or both of them should have the guest
>      list for this event.  Once the guards validate that you are
>      on the event list, they will direct you to the elevators and
>      to the 8th Floor.  Once there, you will see the main reception
>      desk.  I expect that our event should be in the conference
>      room to the left of that desk.
> 
>    -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Please mark this meeting on your calendar and join us!
>    Please tell your friends about Unigroup!
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    --------------------
> 2. UNIGROUP INFORMATION
>    --------------------
> 
>    Unigroup is one of the oldest and largest Unix User's Groups serving
>    the Greater New York City Regional Area since the early 1980s.  Unigroup
>    is a not-for-profit, vendor-neutral and member funded volunteer
>    organization.  Unigroup holds regular and special event meetings
>    throughout the year on technical topics relating to Unix and the Unix
>    User Community.  Unigroup is also the Greater NYC Regional Area
> Affiliate
>    of UniForum - an International Unix Users Group.
> 
>    Thanks to Chase, Unigroup holds regular meetings planned for the Third
>    THURSDAY of Odd Months at The Chase Manhattan Bank, 1CMP, NYC.
>    Chase has been a long time sponsor of Unigroup, allowing us the use of
>    a meeting room and presentation equipment.
> 
>    Planned meeting dates are: 5/1/2003, 5/15/2003, 7/17/2003, 9/18/2003...
>    Watch for our Special Event meetings at the various trade shows in NYC
>    as well as "field trips" to the facilities of local hardware and
>    software vendors.
> 
>   
> =========================================================================
>    = For Unigroup Information, Events and Meeting Announcements be sure to
> =
>    = visit our World Wide Web Home Page:                                  
> =
>    =       http://www.unigroup.org                                        
> =
>   
> =========================================================================
> 
>    For further information or to get on the Unigroup Electronic Mail
> Mailing
>    List send an EMail message to:
>         unilist at unigroup.org
> 
>    To contact the Board of Directors of Unigroup, send an EMail message to:
>         uniboard at unigroup.org
> 
>    To contact the Newsletter Editor, send an EMail message to:
>         editor at unigroup.org
> 
>    If you have recently attended a meeting and you are not receiving
>    Email announcements, please send us an Email and we will make
>    corrections to our lists.
> 
>    Please Email the Board with any suggestions, especially potential
>    meeting topics and speakers.  Unigroup welcomes contributions and
>    content suggestions for our newsletter.  Unigroup is a volunteer
>    organization and we need your assistance!  Please let us know if you
>    can help!
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I hope to see you all at our next meeting!
> 
> -Rob Weiner
>  Unigroup Executive Director
>  unilist at unigroup.org
>  http://www.unigroup.org
> 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Apr 29 16:34:17 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:34:17 -0700
Subject: MySQL 4.10 new features ...
Message-ID: <005601c30e8e$b59c4c50$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

http://www.mysql.com/newsletter/2003-04/a0000000151.html

Just thought Id pass that URL along to anyone that wasn't subscribed to the
newsletter ...

- Jon

-snip-
Some new features include:

* Subqueries:
SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE t1.a=(SELECT t2.b FROM t2);
SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE (1,2,3) IN (SELECT a,b,c FROM t2);
* Derived tables: SELECT t1.a FROM t1, (SELECT * FROM t2) t3 WHERE
t1.a=t3.a;
* `INSERT ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ...' syntax. This allows you to
`UPDATE' an existing row if the insert would cause a duplicate value in a
`PRIMARY' or `UNIQUE' key. (`REPLACE' allows you to overwrite an existing
row, which is something entirely different. See
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/INSERT.html




From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue Apr 29 17:19:36 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:19:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 4.10 new features ...
In-Reply-To: <200304292035.h3TKYUuP058991@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304292035.h3TKYUuP058991@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EAEEC68.3060402@omnistep.com>

Nice.

I just upgraded to 4 from 3.22.32 last night/this morning (yea, it's 
been a while since
I touched the thing). Converted all tables from iasm to myisam. The new 
version
"feels" a bit slower (haven't done any benchmarks yet), but disabling 
innodb support
freed up some extra RAM, which seemed to help a little.

I do have to admit though, the machine is a meager Cobalt celeron 300mhz 
with 96Megs of RAM
and it is wacked with a lot of daily traffic (currently hosting parts of 
the Mozilla project,
RealServer, about 150+ other websites, and a whole gaggle of other services)

The subqueries feature is something I'll definitely look forward to using.

~Rolan


Jon Baer wrote:

>http://www.mysql.com/newsletter/2003-04/a0000000151.html
>
>Just thought Id pass that URL along to anyone that wasn't subscribed to the
>newsletter ...
>
>- Jon
>
>-snip-
>Some new features include:
>
>* Subqueries:
>SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE t1.a=(SELECT t2.b FROM t2);
>SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE (1,2,3) IN (SELECT a,b,c FROM t2);
>* Derived tables: SELECT t1.a FROM t1, (SELECT * FROM t2) t3 WHERE
>t1.a=t3.a;
>* `INSERT ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ...' syntax. This allows you to
>`UPDATE' an existing row if the insert would cause a duplicate value in a
>`PRIMARY' or `UNIQUE' key. (`REPLACE' allows you to overwrite an existing
>row, which is something entirely different. See
>http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/INSERT.html
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>  
>



From georgenatalino at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 21:21:06 2003
From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (George Natalino)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:21:06 -0400
Subject: InfoToday 2003: Free Exhibit Hall Registration
Message-ID: <3EAF2502.6060104@yahoo.com>

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Apr 29 21:48:20 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:48:20 -0700
Subject: MySQL 4 Core/Pro exams ...
Message-ID: <000901c30eba$949fc370$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Has anyone here taken the exams yet?  Care to share your experience ...

- Jon


From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Apr 30 10:30:49 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:30:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 4 Core/Pro exams ...
In-Reply-To: <200304300149.h3U1mPut069014@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200304300149.h3U1mPut069014@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.53.0304301019320.7179@panix5.panix.com>

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Jon Baer wrote:

> Has anyone here taken the exams yet?  Care to share your experience ...
>
> - Jon


Not me, but -- the certifications look like an intriguing idea. I see from
browsing http://www.mysql.com/training/ that they want good money for
those courses. I wonder how one goes about training through just
self-study. In the Microsoft and Java worlds there are loads of test-prep
books, but this is of course a whole new thing.

Hello by the way. I'm new to NYPHP.  I work in downtown NYC at the federal
court as a Spanish interpreter; I use AMP for our office's needs, and
dabble on the side in (both paid and volunteer) web development and
maintenance. I discovered NYPHP at the PHP conference last week. Did that
rock or what?

	David

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

     "You want me to pour the beer, Frank?"


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Apr 30 16:28:17 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:28:17 -0700
Subject: Is this possible in PHP? (Snort logs <-> DHCP)
Message-ID: <000501c30f57$08f54910$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Im trying to attempt something simple and already have a proto in Java for
scanning Snort logs and then sending a DHCPRELEASE to a DHCP server but Id
like to know if it's possible to create a simple app that could be cron'd to
do the same thing ... Id like to build some analysis tools around it that's
why ...

- Jon



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Apr 30 16:35:37 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:35:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is this possible in PHP?
In-Reply-To: <200304302030.h3UKSRxr092005@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPKEBKEHAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Hi Jon,

I guess you would be using the PHP Sockets to send messages to the DHCP
server.
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.fsockopen.php

--Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 4:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is this possible in PHP?


Im trying to attempt something simple and already have a proto in Java for
scanning Snort logs and then sending a DHCPRELEASE to a DHCP server but Id
like to know if it's possible to create a simple app that could be cron'd to
do the same thing ... Id like to build some analysis tools around it that's
why ...

- Jon



--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Apr 30 16:38:25 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Is this possible in PHP?
In-Reply-To: <200304302029.h3UKSRu5092005@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030430203825.14330.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
> Im trying to attempt something simple and already have a proto in Java for
> scanning Snort logs and then sending a DHCPRELEASE to a DHCP server but Id
> like to know if it's possible to create a simple app that could be cron'd
> to
> do the same thing ... Id like to build some analysis tools around it that's
> why ...

Yeah, although perhaps not very nicely.  It escapes me exactly what layer
DHCP operates at (it must be frame/link layer right?).  If this is the case,
then you'll have problems; PHP doesn't like binary, and it doesn't like raw
sockets; although, you could use libnet
(http://www.packetfactory.net/libnet/) maybe.  If all you need are TCP or UDP
packets, then you're golden; just use the socket extension, which while
called experimental, has worked well enough for me.

H

> 
> - Jon
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Apr 30 16:42:17 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: dl() and extension directive in php.ini
Message-ID: <20030430204217.58047.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi,

I'm hearing some conflicting reports and I'd like to see other's thoughts
before I have to dig, dig, dig.

Loading an external module using dl() at runtime obviously loads the module
per request (ie, performance hit).

On the other hand, which I believe is the recommended method anyway, is using
the extension= directive in php.ini.  While this is still a dynamic module
load, it should only happen once; for instance when the Apache process
spawns.

While reading some Zend API stuff I began to doubt this, so I'm interested in
any confirmations either way.

Thanks,

H




From stefan at gadhra.com  Wed Apr 30 20:31:00 2003
From: stefan at gadhra.com (Stefan Antonowicz)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:31:00 -0400
Subject: Setting up PHP5 under Windows
Message-ID: <3EB06AC4.5010602@gadhra.com>

Hey all,

I've got some real rough instructions for setting up PHP 5 for testing on Windows (eek!) at:
http://www.vespatech.com/papers/php5.php

I'm coming from a Linux-y background regarding AMP, so I'm not sure if I got all (any?) of the details right on the installation; I could use any feedback ya'll might have.  I'm not rolling this to anyone special, but I don't want some poor sap googling to this page and being lead into the mouth of catastrophe.

Also, please excuse the design.  I'll come back to it when I'm done with content.


+gadhra+ (Stefan)




From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Apr 30 21:29:42 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:29:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PHPCon and Zeev Presentations Online
Message-ID: <20030501012942.69497.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


Good evening,

For your viewing and listening pleasure, NYPHP's recent presentations are
online at http://nyphp.org/content/presentations/

This includes the talks we gave at PHPCon, the audio recordings of Zeev
Suraski's presentation at our April meeting, and Daniel Kushner talk at
Gnubies.

And as a quick reminder, the monthly PHP Meetup is tomorrow:
http://php.meetup.com

Best,


=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org